Talk:Orchestra/Archives/2015
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The part: "... string, brass, woodwind, and percussion instruments. Other instruments such as the piano and celesta may sometimes be grouped into a fifth section such as a keyboard section or may stand alone, as may the concert harp and electric and electronic instruments." is same in both places. Because I'm not very familiar and good with editing articles in Wikipedia I won't change a thing, but if someone here is more familiar and have done it before, please pay attention. Matar.maoz (talk) 20:14, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
The given lineups for these two periods seem completely random to me. In the case of the baroque string section, the number of players is without doubt heavily inflated.
1. baroque orchestra
To make any statement about a "standard" baroque orchestra is not possible for the time before 1700, since there was not even a true concept of what should be called an orchestra at that time. Furthermore, there are great regional differnces within Europe. For example, Lully's french orchestra employed 24 strings in five sections (Vl/VaI/VaII/VaIII/Bass) while italian orchestras had two Violins and 1 Viola part like modern orchestras. Winds were extremely diverse and often optional. The vast majority of performances at taht time were one-to-a-part.
Late baroque orchestras still vary too much to make a single usefull chart. If I was forced to do so, it would look like this:
2 Flutes (occasinally)
2-3 Oboes (common, several players per part in large orchestras; commonly doubling on treble recorders)
1 Bassoon (common Bass instrument, several players per part in large orchestras)
2-3 Trumpets and 1 timpani player (occasionally)
2 Horns (occasionally)
Strings: About 2-4/2-4/1-2/1-2/1-2, but anything between 4 and 25 or more players can be found
Continuo: 1-2 harpsichords or organs, occasionally 1-2 theorbos (especially in opera)
2. Classical orchestra:
Flutes and clarinets, trumpets and timpani were in no way a given for most of the repertoire, string ensembles were much smaller on average:
1-2 Flutes (occasinally)
2 Oboes
2 Clarinets (very rare in early classical works, more commen since ca. 1775-1790)
1-2 Bassoons (merely reinforcing the string bass part in many occasions)
2 Trumpets and 1 Timpani player (occasionally, more common towards the end of the period)
2 or 4 horns
Strings: About 6/6/3/2/3, but extremely varied (9-40 players; sometimes even more)
Continuo: 1 Harpsichord (secular music, gradually abandoned between ca.1780-1800), 1-2 Organs (sacred music only)
--80.187.110.224 (talk) 00:23, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
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