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This is all unencylopedic as hell, but the link provided goes into such vast detail as to the importance of soda water not being added, that I didn't want to link to the wikibooks recipe which suggested adding soda water. I suggest reading the linked article if you have any interest in this, it traces the drink back for centuries. --Xyzzyplugh 15:24, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
the old fashioned predates the production of soda water, fact. /end. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.73.10.230 (talk) 08:19, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
centries huh? thumbs up if youre still reading this in 2057 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drinkreader (talk • contribs) 23:56, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
WP:ENGVAR says that if an article starts out wiht US or UK terminology, it should not be changed , unless the subject has a clear tie to one country or the other (like the American Civil War or William Shakespeare, for example). This article started out with ounces, and it should remain thus. I have added the ml equivalents. Thesite used as a reference was for how many ml to a dash or a jigger. Edison (talk) 01:12, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
I tried to add a short note that Russian sugar cubes are a different size than American ones, and may use sugar from a different source, and it was rejected. I can't see why, unless it was because I put it under "Notes." I am new to contributing, so I may not know where to place something. Thanks. Max481WwRG (talk) 02:35, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Both Merriam-Webster's Dictionary and the American Heritage Dictionary list the word as "old-fashioned" rather than "Old Fashioned." It is neither capitalized nor separated into two words. 24.6.179.152 (talk) 08:05, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
What the hell measurement is a "cl."? :| I couldn't find it on Wikipedia. An Old Fashioned calls for "4 cl." . --24.21.148.155 (talk) 02:49, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
centiliter 68.8.109.218 (talk) 10:37, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
A centiliter is one hunderedth of a liter. ie. 1 cl of water is 10 grams. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.189.106.121 (talk) 17:06, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
The Drinkboy cited article is very dated & superseded by newer publications and research that contradict Hess' speculation that curacao "may have been added to increase the orange flavor". Cited speculation is still just speculation and alcohol, sugar, bitters and water with Curacao was is noted in several publications as The "Plain Cocktail" contemporaneously. 157.166.167.129 (talk) 22:37, 24 December 2012 (UTC)
Applejack: The spirit of americana 1992 laird and company
cocktail old fashion: https://www.amazon.com/Cocktail-Old-Fashion-cocktail-fashioned-ebook/dp/B01IFDMXX0
It looks like there are a few reliable sources that say "The drink is named after the racing horse" and not otherwise simply making up conclusions from connecting some dots. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.112.66.211 (talk) 14:19, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
How do people not know this?2600:1:C6A6:2E5B:989A:607:25A6:B66C (talk) 00:52, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
C'mon, that picture has got to go. While (as the article points out) it is possible to have a "gin Old Fashioned", 99.99999% of Old Fashioned are dark in color. Unschool 01:54, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
I blank-and-redirected the American Trilogy Cocktail to this page and moved the relevant information over. Jip Orlando (talk) 21:52, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
The article says the drink was invented "in honor of Colonel James E. Pepper", citing a 1935 work by Albert Stevens Crockett, The Old Waldorf-Astoria Bar Book. Personally, I doubt that is true. I suspect that Pepper helped popularize the drink but had no role in its invention. Also, Pepper was a well-known self-promoter, so if the story came from what he said in the bar at the Waldorf-Astoria, it may stretch the truth. I do not have a copy of that book. Does someone else have a copy? Are there any independent reliable sources that confirm this claim? —BarrelProof (talk) 03:07, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
Its free on google books along with thousands of other 20th,19th,18th, and 17th century recipe books. The book doesn't even talk about pepper, its just recipes, nothing significant, and pepper certainly had no role in the drinks creation. The lairds are 100% responsible for the cocktail and old fashion. I am responsible for letting the lairds know they were responsible for those drinks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:5000:D9A:F487:AD95:9CF9:6FA0 (talk) 18:10, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
where is the literature showing the old fashioned before pendennis club? where?
and modern american drinks by george kappeler list a brandy old fashion. There is nothing to argue here. These are facts. Unless you are claiming that modern american drinks in 1900 does not list a brandy old fashion? is that your claim? because it really sounds like it is.
Which part are you not understand? The laird's owning fashion? (spirit of american in 1992 and numerous 1837-1860 newpaper articles)
Or that kappeler list a brandy old fashion in modern american drinks on page 6?
Or that there was a 1784 repeal of a 1783 ban on all imports, including cocktails, it was the repeal that allowed the first six. Are you denying the repeal?
Or are you denying the laird's owned, raised, trained, and rode medley and diomed? who were granddame and grandsire to fashion. (in a diary of american plays in 1833)
Which fact are you denying?
Having trouble getting your tennessee friend to ban me? I have done nothing wrong, just asking questions to your claims. If you are going to be bold and make bold claims, then I shouldbe allowed to inquire.
Im having trouble understanding what you dont understand, or why you think you know more than me.
lol. GOD it's so lonely at the top.
Still waiting for anyone to be able to answer any of these correctly. When will you people realize there is levels to this and its clear im at the top level with no one else.
1. Name 2 real drinks that call for apricot flavored brandy. There are at least 3.
2. Name one real drink that calls for blackberry flavored brandy.
3. Name 2 real drinks that call for cherry flavored brandy.
4. Name 3 real drinks that call for creme de banana.
5. Name one real drink that calls for yellow chartreuse, there are at least 2.
6. Name 2 real drinks that call for green chartreuse, no, Last word is not a real drink. There are at least 3.
7. What does the mint julep, hot toddy, and crusta all have in common?
8. What primary spirit did the original old fashioned call for?
9. What Primary spirit did the original cocktail call for?
10. Name 2 real drinks that call for sherry.
11. Name 3 real drinks that call for wine.
12. Name 5 real drinks that predate the cocktail
13. what is the difference between a julep and a smash
14. name 3 drinks that originally contained rack or arrack.
15. The brandy milk punch dates to what century?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:5000:d9a:785d:21da:5259:385c (talk) 03:14, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
An Encyclopædia of Rural Sports: Or, Complete Account, Historical, ... Delabere Pritchett Blaine - 1852 “Many fox hunters,” he says, “prefer thorough-bred horses, others cocktails; I always gave the preference to the former, ... Fashion reigns omnipotent; hence it is that the crack sportsmen of the present day, who follow the fox pack."
Wallace's Monthly - Volume 10 - Page 188 John H. Wallace - 1884
“Mr. Wallace has thoroughly weaned me from my “cocktail theories; and I am now ready to go the full length of his teachings, which, I understand, he expressed in the old-fashion cocktail, 'Breed to the winner'—if for running, to the runner"
The Clothier and Furnisher - Volume 19 - Page 51 1889
"I AM glad to note that my recondit confrire in relation to all that is worth the telling in the world of fashion and the accepted arbiter for the settlement of the mere question of men's attire. Dinner is invited with an old-fashion brandy cocktail."
Dickens's Dictionary of the Thames, from Its Source to the Nore, ... Charles Dickens - 1893
"Cocktails are easy to concoct with the assistance of two metal cups with a bevelled edge, to enable them to fit closely together when required. Old fashion brandy cocktail. The best jug for this punch is one of the old-fashioned brown Uncle Toby sort."
How about that? Does that pertain to the old fashioned? No, it pertains to the old fashion, but believe what you want. Literature apparently means nothing here. I have read so many cocktail guides and recipe books that not only can I tell you, that what you are saying about a cocktail is wrong or right, but I can tell you the original source where you got that information, okay. Different Level.
You have no earthly idea what it is like to have the next closest person that comprehends anywhere near my level still probably knows only 35%, thats being very very generous. You have no idea what it feels like. There is no room to sit down at the top, so even if the next closest person started studying hard right now, it would still take them 15 years to get to where I am at right now, can you imagine where ill be in 15 years. lol.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:5000:d9a:785d:21da:5259:385c (talk) 06:42, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
The first mention of the Old Fashioned is in the Chicago Daily Tribune in February of 1880. The source I linked clearly states that. The other sources listed here are bogus. -- Doctorx0079 (talk) 00:58, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
IP user (talk) IS A SOCKPUPPET of banned user DrinkReader. Same paranoid raving as before. How do we go about blocking him before he clutters up the talk page any more? -- Doctorx0079 (talk) 00:54, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Moved as proposed. This is a somewhat close call, and ironically is also close to being a WP:Bartender's close. There is a solid consensus that the article should not be at the current title, with a mix of sources using different capitalization militating towards a lowercase disambiguation, which would therefore require disambiguation absent a primary topic determination. As there has been no such determination here, and the sole comment specifically supporting such a determination has received no additional support, the result defaults to a disambiguated outcome. BD2412 T 04:59, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
– Simple case fix. Sources don't treat the drink name "old fashioned" as a proper name. Dicklyon (talk) 06:17, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
In this article, we have
It is traditionally served with ice in an old fashioned glass (also known as a rocks glass), which predated the cocktail.
while in Old fashioned glass, we have
It is also normally used to serve certain cocktails, such as the old fashioned, from which it receives its name.[citation needed]
Clearly, something is wrong. I don't know which is right, so I will remove both, and I'll add a section to the latter article's talk page linking to this section. Blippy1998 (talk) 06:20, 23 October 2022 (UTC)
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