Talk:Oasis (band)/Archive 5

This is an archive of past discussions about Oasis (band). Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

Archive 1

←

Archive 3

Archive 4

Archive 5

Archive 6

Archive 7

→

Archive 9

Pre-GAN Review

Hello. This is an informal review of the article and, I, BritandBeyonce, is not associated with reviewers in GAN and this will not affect the decision of the concerned folks.

—Singer Liam Gallagher (left) and guitarist Noel Gallagher of Oasis, along with live keyboardist Jay Darlington in background. Live in 2005. Don’t put period after “background” because it’s not a complete sentence. Why don’t you write it this way: Singer Liam ……… performing live in 2005. Put a period after the year and it would be better if you will add the venue they’re performing in and what song they’re singing.

—Genres, labels, associated acts, down to members, irregardless of importance or year of occurrences, like members and labels, re-write it alphabetically.

—I think it is fine to remove the asterisk in the infobox. Anyway, you repeated it in the section dedicated for the members.

—Oasis are an English rock band… Oasis, despite its confusing “s,” is still a singular noun. Though there are five members in the band, the term is taken as a whole and therefore should be proceeded with a verb “is.”

—Oasis are an English rock band that formed in Manchester in 1991. I’m a bit confused on this; “that formed” or “that was formed”?

—The group was formed by Liam Gallagher (vocals), Paul Arthurs (guitar), Paul McGuigan (bass) and Tony McCarroll (drums), who were soon joined by Liam's older brother Noel Gallagher (lead guitar). Why don’t you emphasize them as “original” members? Also, don not repeat “formed’ in the next sentence. Why don’t you use "compose," to make it "was originally composed by..." By the way, where is “Alan White”? Please mention him because you emphasized in the latter part of the paragraph the word “completed.”

—Oasis have sold more than 50 million albums worldwide,[1] and have had eight UK number one singles. Why don’t you add this at the second paragraph because you’re talking there about sales, “or” at the end of the paragraph to not break the band’s composition; first you’re talking about the band, so continue with the individuals and not the sales; in that way, we can have a good transition with the ideas.

—number one singles I think number one is hyphenated, like this: number-one.

—The band initially gained prominence performing on the Manchester club circuit. Is it correct already? I’m confused again. Why don’t you say "...prominence when they performed at/on..."?

—The following year, the band recorded Put “On” before the following year to avoid the-the start.

—Could be tabloid newspapers or for the sake of brevity, just tabloid.

—sibling rivalry? Just rivalry; it's more clear. Anyway, sibling is not an adjective that could modify the word “rivalry.”

—fastest-selling album in UK chart history add “the” before UK.

—Wikilink “America” if you really want to use it or use United States

—The band are currently recording their seventh studio album. Replace “are” with “is.” —Why don’t you mention a bit the band’s origin which is the “The Rain.”

—comprised of Paul "Guigsy" McGuigan (bass guitar), Paul "Bonehead" Arthurs (guitar), Tony McCarroll (drums) and Chris Hutton (vocals). Alphabetized please either by surnames or specializations (e.g. vocals); surnames, I think, is better.

—Why did you not add “Chris Hutton” in the infobox?

—which was inspired by an Inspiral Carpets tour poster which was in his and his brother Noel's bedroom. Repeating “which.”

—Oasis original line-up, 1991-1995: Tony McCarroll, Paul Arthurs, Liam Gallagher, Paul McGuigan and Noel Gallagher. You add “from left to right” or otherwise so that I will know who’s Arthurs who was not satisfied with Hutton. =)

—Wikilink Manchester.

—Oasis were or Oasis was?

—He had loads of stuff written... Interpolate Noel to clarify, like this: He [Noel] had loads…

—Oasis under Noel Gallagher crafted their musical approach to rely on simplicity add comma after Oasis and Gallagher.

—Oasis created a sound "so devoid of finesse and complexity that it came out sounding pretty much unstoppable." Remove?

—even Remove?

—big Remove?

—Oasis were invited was invited

—Wikilink Scotland

—found the money found the or found a?

—When they arrived, they were refused entry to the club as they were not on that night's set list I’m lost…

—Is “bully” an informal word? If not, take it as it is.

—They were given the opening slot and impressed McGee POV

—so impressed Again, POV

—McGee was so impressed by what he saw he signed the band to Creation four days later. Add “that” after “saw” or reconstruct it, it’s POVic.

—26 second sample of "Live Forever" from Definitely Maybe and 30 second sample of "Champagne Supernova" from (What's the Story) Morning Glory? Do not just state the span of the sample given but explain better things readers don’t know so that the use of the copyrighted sample is fair.

—reaching number 31 write the number in words.

—reaching number 31 in the charts what chart?

—Wikilink “debut album”

—The best part of a year of POV

—hedonistic and shambolic Any simpler word on this? If no, interwikilink this to Wiktionary. Also, I can’t find shambolic in the dictionary.

—He was tracked down by Creation's Tim Abbot and during a trip by the pair to Las Vegas Gallagher decided to continue with the band. This certainly needs a comma.

—The best part of a year of constant live performances and recordings, along with a hedonistic lifestyle, were starting to tire the band out and a breaking point was finally hit during a gig in Los Angeles in September 1994 where Liam was under the influence of crystal meth, leading to a shambolic performance during which he made offensive remarks about American audiences and assaulted Noel with a tambourine. This upset Noel to such an extent that he temporarily quit the band immediately after and flew to San Francisco. Add citation directly to contentious statements.

—Wikilink EP and British

—Any mild word other than ousted?

—studio percussionist Any link?

—whom Paul Weller recommended to Noel. Who’s Paul? Any connection to Noel?

—Oasis began recording material for their second album in May of that year in Rockfield Studios near Monmouth. Put this at the beginning of the paragraph since their first UK number-one single is part of the album.

—14 August 1995, later in the article, August 11, 1996. Consider consistency in writing dates specially its format throughout the article. If you prefer with the former, write them all in that way and same with the latter.

—During this period, the English press seized upon a supposed rivalry between Oasis and fellow Britpop band Blur. On 14 August 1995, Blur and Oasis released new singles on the same day, setting up "The Battle of Britpop" that dominated the week's music news. Needs direct citations.

—(£1.99 vs £3.99) Add period in “vs’; it glares when you read the article in Microsoft Word.

—Any link to “B-sides”?

—How about “barcode”?

—“furure” and “apologised”. What do you use throughout the article: English or British?

—Noel Gallagher told The Observer in September that he hoped Damon Albarn and Alex James of Blur would "catch AIDS and die", This is not supposed to be written. It’s really a bad word. Just put “Noel Gallagher…………stated a derogatory remark against (name) and (name) that….”

—In September 1995, bassist Paul McGuigan briefly left the band, citing nervous exhaustion. Needs direct citation.

—He was replaced by Scott McLeod, formerly of The Ya-Yas, who featured on some of the tour dates as well as in the "Wonderwall" video before leaving abruptly while on tour in the USA. Who was McLeod in Ya-Yas? “Who featured” or “Who was featured”?

—Gallagher curtly replied "I think you have too. Good luck signing on". This is a direct quotation; it starts with a capital letter and ends with a period, thus insert the punctuation within the quotation marks.

—In order to complete the tour, McGuigan was successfully convinced to return to the band. To complete the tour or the band themselves?

—"Wonderwall" and "Don't Look Back in Anger" You prefer by appearance? If not, rewrite alphabetically.

—It also contained the non-UK single "Champagne Supernova" — featuring guitar playing and backing vocals by Paul Weller — that received widespread critical acclaim and peaked at number 20 on the US charts. When using em dash, we usually remove the space, writing the preceding and proceeding words directly next to the punctuation. Also, to simplify; “featuring guitars and background vocals by…” In addition, add direct citation and spell out 20.

—Oasis line-up Irregardless of the year, add “new” to emphasize that the line-up is new.

—On April 27 and April 28 Add comma after this and wikilink Manchester.

—Highlights from the second night featured on the video There And Then, released later the same year. “was featured”

—As their career reached its zenith Did they really reached it? How? This is POV…

—Wikilink Knebworth

—If I were to connect "The band sold out both shows within minutes; 375,000 people over two nights" and "at the time a record-breaking number for an outdoor concert held in the UK, and to this today the largest demand for a show in British history," I will be confused.

—Four days later comma

—tour of American arenas “of American” or “on American”?

—Liam rejoined the tour on 30 August Not practical. Since you used “on”, proceed it with the month then the date.

—"D'You Know What I Mean" was the first single taken from Be Here Now. Noel Gallagher later said that he had expected to be asked to reduce the length of the song by two minutes, however nobody had the courage to put it to him. Replace the comma after minutes with semi-colon and place comma after however.

—the album was perhaps their most anticipated effort, and as such became the subject of considerable media attention. Opinionated.

—and by the end of business on Saturday rewrite more simpler and clearer wording especially 'end of business."

—In the earlier part of the article, you use USA then later, US. Consistency please.

—but its first week sales of 152,000 – below expected sales of 400,000 copies – were considered a disappointment. Use em dash and, like I mentioned earlier, do not put space. Also, “were considered a disappointment, is a POV. Who was disappointed?

—Although early media reviews were positive, once the hype had died down, the album was criticised for being bloated and derivative with most of the critics focused on the extensive length of several songs, the heavier sound, and overproduction. Needs direct citation.

—Do not spell out “fuck.”

—The Britpop movement was over and the band failed to meet expectations with Be Here Now. After the conclusion of the disastrous Be Here Now tour, amidst huge media criticism the group decided to stay clear of each other and kept a low profile throughout 1998. Very POVic… Unsourced.

—That year or “The same year” or “Same that year” with a comma after.

—Wikilink “compilation album.”

—spell out 14

—"The really interesting stuff from around that period is the B-sides. There’s a lot more inspired music on the B-sides than there is on Be Here Now itself, I think", related Noel in a recent interview. Put the comma within the quotation marks and avoid the use of “recent.”

—In early 1999, the band began work on their fourth studio album replace "began work" with “began to work” or “began working.”

—Wikilink Mark "Spike" Stent and mention a bit of whom he is: a singer, a songwriter, a producer or a combination of such?

—revealed to be taking a co-producing role. Just mention that he will co-produce for simplicity

—In early 1999, the band began work on their fourth studio album. First details were announced in February with Mark "Spike" Stent revealed to be taking a co-producing role. The majority of the album had been written by a now "clean" Noel Gallagher, who had quit taking cocaine in mid-1998. Any citation?

—This was to have a major influence This had a major influence

—Wikilink “recording”

—south of France link this to “Southern France”

—with everything believed to be have been going to plan. Confusing.

—the shock departure Who was shocked? Remove.

—This departure'' The of This?

—Two weeks later comma

—and they brought in Andy Bell, former guitarist/songwriter of Ride and Hurricane#1 as their new bassist comma after Hurricane#1 then wikilink “bassist.”

—Bell had never played bass before and had to learn to play it, along with a handful of songs from Oasis' back catalogue, in preparation for a scheduled tour of America in December 1999. Any direct citation?

—Wikilink Ireland.

—Spell out 24 and specify the chart it appeared on.

—Formerly, you use Top 10, now top 5. What is correct, capitalizing “T” or not?

—UK Single Chart and wikilink it.

—lukewarm reviews What is that?

—Standing Fifth, sixth, seventh album?

—To support the record come the band staged an eventful world tour. How eventful was it? Remove, it’s POV.

—Oasis were forced to cancel a gig when Alan White's arm seized up, and the band spent the night drinking instead. Oasis was. Another term for seized up?

—Liam made a derogatory comment about Noel's then-wife Meg Mathews, and attempted to cast doubt over the legitimacy of Noel's daughter Anais, causing a scuffle. Needs direct citation?

—was quitting touring Redundant –ing. Reword.

—and Oasis were supposed it's was

—Wikilink “live album” and “Paris.”

—Heathen Chemistry, Oasis' first album first or fifth album?

—spell out 23 and add “the” before US.

—"The Hindu Times", "Stop Crying Your Heart Out", "Little by Little/She Is Love", and the Liam-penned "Songbird", Oasis' first single not written by Noel. Use semi –colon replacing all commas except the last comma.

—Any link to “rock sound”?

—use “writing” instead of “penning.”

—In late summer 2002 add “of” before 2002

—Whilst use while

—Indianapolis, IN wikilink and spell out

—After the album's release, the band embarked on a successful world tour that was once again filled with incidents. In late summer 2002, whilst the band was on tour in the US, Noel, Bell and touring keyboardist Jay Darlington were involved in a car accident in Indianapolis, IN. While none of the band members sustained any major injuries, some shows were cancelled as a result. In December 2002, the latter half of the German leg of the band's European tour had to be postponed after Liam Gallagher, Alan White and three other members of the band's entourage were arrested after a violent brawl at a Munich nightclub. Any source?

—Wikilink cocaine

—Two years later'' comma

—Oasis began recording a sixth album in late December 2003 with producers Death in Vegas at Sawmills Studios in Cornwall. Oasis began recording “their” sixth album. Wikilink Sawmills Studios if any and also Cornwall

—The album was originally planned for a September 2004 release to coincide with the 10th anniversary of the release of Definitely Maybe. Direct citation needed

—“who at this time” and “at this time” Reword any of these.

—Though Starkey performs on studio recordings and tours with the band, as of yet he is not officially a member and the band is a four-piece for the first time in their career. Though Starkey “performed” on studio………………… as of yet he is not officially a member needs rewording

—for the first time You used it earlier.

—two new songs — Gem Archer’s close-up

—After much turbulence, the band's sixth album was finally recorded in Los Angeles-based Capitol Studios from October to December the same year. Producer Dave Sardy took over the lead producing role from Noel, who decided to step back from these duties after a decade of producing leadership over the band. In May 2005, after three years and as many scrapped recording sessions, the band released their sixth studio album, Don't Believe the Truth, fulfilling their contract with Sony BMG. It followed the path of Heathen Chemistry as being a collaborative project again, rather than a Noel-written album. It was also the band's first album in a decade not to feature the drumming of Alan White, with Zak Starkey taking his place. The record was generally hailed as the band's best effort since (What's the Story) Morning Glory? by fans and critics alike, spawning two UK number one singles: "Lyla" and "The Importance of Being Idle" (the band's seventh and eighth number one UK singles, respectively), whilst "Let There Be Love" entered at number two. Oasis picked up two awards at the Q Awards: one a special People's Choice Award and the second for Don't Believe the Truth as Best Album. Following in the footsteps of Oasis' previous five albums, Don't Believe the Truth also entered the UK album charts at number one. This is completely unsourced.

—After much turbulence Opinionated

—Los Angeles-based Capitol Studios wikilink

—the same year Since this is a sub-section, better to mention the year.

—Producer Dave Sardy took over the lead producing role from Noel, who decided to step back from these duties after a decade of producing leadership over the band. Rewrite: Producer...... took over the role of Noel in the band......who decided to step back after a decade of his leadership.

—Oasis picked up Oasis earned

—Noel Gallagher performing in concert in America in September 2005 Where in America? If no specific venue stated, use United States for formality and consistency.

—10 May 2005 and 31 March 2006, again…

—spell out 26

—In May 2005, the band's new line-up embarked on a large scale world tour. Beginning on 10 May 2005 at the London Astoria, and finishing on 31 March 2006 in front of a sold out gig in Mexico City, Oasis played more live shows than at any time since the Definitely Maybe tour, visiting 26 countries, headlining 110 shows and playing to 1.7 million people. Any direct citation?

—The tour passed without any major incidents and was the band's most successful in more than a decade. Needed source and add this after Hollywood Bowl

—A rockumentary film was made during the tour. The film, entitled Lord Don't Slow Me Down was released in October 2007. rockumentary or documentary? Put comma after Lord Don’t Slow Me

—which featured what the band consider to be their "definitive" songs. Though the band didn't want to release a compilation, their contract with Sony Music had just expired, forcing a release against the band's wishes. Direct sources?

—Remove “so.”

—During November 2006, Noel and Gem, backed by drummer Terry Kirkbride, began a short tour to promote Stop the Clocks. They played around a dozen shows in various countries around the world. Citation needed.

—In February 2007, Oasis received the BRIT Award for outstanding contribution to music. Source…

—Remove the template for future album because it will categorize the article as a future album. Add it in the main article for their seventh album instead.

—demoing --> demo-ing

—[52]Recording sessions were finished on 18 December and the band will go to Los Angeles as planned in mid-January, for mixing the new album and "maybe do a bit more over there. But not too much", said Liam in an Reuters interview." Give space after the 52nd citation. Transpose 18 December  December 18; better use this format throughout the article. Remove the comma after January and add it after December 18. Put the comma inside the quotation marks, change “said Liam……” to “said Liam in an interview with Reuters” or “said Liam in a Reuters interview (changing an to a)” and remove quotation mark after “interview.”

—Musically and lyrically, Oasis cite bands such as Oasis “cites” band

Do not be confused. While it is long, it is being arranged as they appeared in the article; just follow reading the article and you'll see where my comments are. Please note that this was neither formally nor professionally reviewed. This just came to at least minimize the objections of our formal GAN Reviewers. When a certain objection has been addressed, crash it out or add {{done}} on each addressed objection. Please fell free to object me as well; it's watch-listed. BritandBeyonce (talk) 07:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

The article uses British English grammar, so the band are referred to collectively rather than singularly. This should not be altered.--Michig (talk) 08:46, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Please refer to American and British English differences#Formal and notional agreement--Michig (talk) 08:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

just crash it out objections like the British use. just address the other. BritandBeyonce (talk) 09:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Anyone can review a GA nomination, if they did not write the article. You can just put it on hold and wait. If the problems are fixed, pass the article. If not, fail it. --Kaypoh (talk) 09:50, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

This is just an informal review. Anyway, you can erase em' all if you don't want any feedbacks. BritandBeyonce (talk) 09:56, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedbacks. I just thought, maybe you don't know that anyone can review a GA nomination. --Kaypoh (talk) 10:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

yeah i know but i don't want to review formally at the moment, and welcome. BritandBeyonce (talk) 10:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Gallery pic550.jpg

Image:Gallery pic550.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.

BetacommandBot (talk) 18:52, 2 January 2008 (UTC)