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Such as with other musical artists like Paul McCartney and Brandon Flowers, Michael's discography with The Jackson 5 and The Jacksons should be listed under his Discography section, under subtitles of the respective band, as seen below:
The Jackson 5
The Jacksons
Solo
Billyanderson9 (talk) 21:52, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
I believe we should change the lead image to this. Here are it’s advantages:
It’s in color.
It’s much clearer than the current image.
It has him in a more recognizable outfit.
We don’t need to remove the lead image from the article as my proposal is being used later in the article so we can swap the lead image with my proposal.
My proposal (or at least the original version of the image) is used more widely on Wikipedia.
It’s in higher resolution.
These are my reasons for changing the lead image. Thoughts? The Image Editor (talk) 20:34, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Category:American sex offenders
Just asking (personally, I got tired of the MJ controversies before Leaving Neverland) Espngeek (talk) 20:02, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
I was wondering if Michael Jackson should be placed into the category Inductees into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, since he was inducted twice as a member of the Jackson 5 in 1997 and as a solo artist in 2001. 2001:569:78BA:4A00:25AC:1EBE:C497:426A (talk) 21:50, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
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please fix the grammar in this sentence:In January 1970, "I Want You Back" became the first Jackson 5 song to reach number one the US Billboard Hot 100
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I am requesting to edit Michael Jackson page to update some pictures, so there more relevant and so there's more to view. Pavelmarin2006 (talk) 14:44, 11 December 2020 (UTC)
I was wondering If I could change his place of death to the exact neighborhood of his place of death, Holmby Hills. Usually when a celebrity's exact location of death is specifically known, it is usually placed instead of the larger city. Like for example Wilt Chamberlain's page has his place of death as Bel-Air, a neighborhood of Los Angeles. And for another analogy is the page of singer Frankie Lymon has his place of death as Harlem, New York, A neighborhood of Manhattan which is a borough of New York. So this logically this exact location status quo should apply here. ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ (talk) 23:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
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Add “Video Games” section after the “Filmography” section. Michael Jackson appeared and voiced in the first two Space Channel 5 video games (Space Channel 5 and Space Channel 5 Part 2). Daniel.Nemitz (talk) 00:36, 21 December 2020 (UTC)
Add parentheses () after Cardiac Arrest (to denote cause of death, then (way of cardiac arrest) Mocbazgi96 (talk) 04:42, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
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change Joseph to Joe 95.168.251.21 (talk) 16:19, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
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46.240.186.77 (talk) 14:17, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
Michael Jackson did most certainly not die, since, if you check his YouTube channel, you can see he posted a song 5 moths ago, so please change this, it is not ok to say that somebody died when they're still alive. Thank you for your time.
I deleted this sentence
Close associates of Jackson, such as Corey Feldman, Aaron Carter, Brett Barnes, and Macaulay Culkin, said that Jackson had not molested them.
on the grounds that it is irrelevant to the section. @BD2412: suggested this change should be discussed. So let's discuss! What's the argument for including it?
BrightVamp (talk) 03:45, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
I agree with admin BD2412 that changes like this cannot be made to a featured article without first discussing it here. The inclusion for this is simple. WP:Balance. Removing the sentence will make this section unbalanced. Furthermore, these are living people who have time after time been falsely accused of being abused by someone who did not abuse them, per their own words. It is relevant for a balanced topic. TruthGuardians (talk) 19:04, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
I believe that keeping the sentence in the article is useful because the public still speculates about whether those men were abused or not so it's fair to include their denials. I agree with those who have motivated the inclusion of the sentence to give a more balanced view on the topic and it's also a very short and concise sentence so it doesn't really burden or unnecessarily prolong the article too much. GiuliaZB (talk) 21:25, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Each sentence no matter how short in this section tips the implication one way or another, there's no objective way to say if it's balanced as a whole, but this sentence in this placement falsely implies that people saying Michael Jackson spent time with them and did not molest them help to prove he didn't molest others. If it's not doing that job, it's irrelevant. (and if those are responses to allegations/speculation that he molested Corey Feldman etc, they would belong in a section about those allegations, not here). It should be left to the longer article that gets into the nuance. BrightVamp (talk) 00:27, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
reliable sources chose to report those accounts in this context, which reflects their editorial judgment that it is information significant for readers to have a complete picture of the situationReliable sources covered many, many things on this subject - that doesn't mean we should include all of them in this summary section. Popcornfud (talk) 12:59, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Corey Feldman explained that his comments pertaining to grooming were taken out of context and that he'll never take part of a trend that consists in accusing Jackson: "And I'm never gonna be that guy that's all of a sudden gonna jump on the bandwagon and try and say something happened. That's not gonna happen, so please stop thinking that, stop saying that; that's not gonna happen."[2] As for that sentence in question, there is absolutely nothing improper to it in regards to this article. The article mentions accusers, and the article mentions supporters. It is perfectly proper, due balance, and removing it will precisely give undue weight to the accusers. Besides, this is an article on Michael Jackson, not a trial case. It is not about countering "Robson and Safechuck's claims" per se, but providing sourced information to the readers. If the accusation was murder, some of those close to Michael may have come forward and explained how his character was atypical of a murderer or a physically violent person, but that is not what the accusation is about, so that is not pertinent to the discussion at hand. Israell (talk) 04:44, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Since the accusers alleged Culkin and Barnes and other boys were also victims, these men's statements are relevant to provide balance. Their description of Jackson's behavior drastically contradicts the description of the accusers. TwoShots30 (talk) 18:18, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Leaving Neverland is the source as well as Robson's and Safechuck's interview on CBS and Robson's and Safechuck's complaints.Can you provide specific secondary reliable sources we can cite in the article for this please? Like a URL, we only need one good source. Popcornfud (talk) 20:16, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
Since Robson and Safechuck accused Jackson of abusing Culkin, Feldman as well as other boys,Can we have a source for that please? Popcornfud (talk) 20:49, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
One more thing regarding Aaron Carter. In this interview[8] given last July, Aaron Carter defends Jackson even more. He believes Wade & James are only in it for the money, and he insists Jackson never molested him. Israell (talk) 06:32, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
This sentence should remain right were it is, and maybe even expanded upon. For years I heard of Culkin and Feldman being abused and didn’t know who Brett Barns was until Leaving Neverland. The film attempted to paint them as being abused and to my surprise they all defended Jackson even after Leaving Neverland. This is important balance. Fancypants786 (talk) 18:56, 26 February 2021 (UTC)
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It is suggested that '..26 American Music Awards' in the lead be edited as '26 American Music Awards (more than any other male artist)' given that Jackson significantly leads over the next male artist, Kenny Rogers who has 19 AMAs. https://www.theamas.com/winners-database/top-winners-leaderboard/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karthik.vignesh (talk • contribs) 14:59, November 25, 2019 (UTC)
The musicianship section says: ”Engineer Robert Hoffman recalled Jackson dictating a guitar chord note by note…”
IMHO this is a misquote of Hoffman, who clearly states that MJ was dictating every single note of every single chord of an entire song.
https://www.nme.com/blogs/nme-blogs/the-incredible-way-michael-jackson-wrote-music-16799
Readers who don’t follow the link to the original source will think: ”So what, MJ could dictate the three notes of one guitar chord; that’s not very newsworthy.”
Please modify to: ”Engineer Robert Hoffman recalled Jackson dictating all of a song’s guitar chords note by note…” 93.160.84.113 (talk) 12:31, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
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69.84.121.219 (talk) 00:00, 5 March 2021 (UTC) Hi, I would like to fix some grammatical issues with this article.
Thank you.
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MICHAEL JACKSON WAS A RENOWNED PHILANTHROPIST AND HUMANITARIAN WHO SUPPORTED MORE CHARITIES THAN ANY OTHER ARTIST. HE WAS AS MUCH HUMANITARIAN AS HE WAS A SINGER AND THIS LACED THE BACKBONE OF MOST OF HIS ARTISTRY. THIS SHOULD BE LISTED CLEARLY AND DECISIVELY AS A CATEGORY OF ITS OWN AND SHOULD ALSO APPEAR CLEARLY WITHIN THE LIST OF TALENTS/ACHIEVEMENTS MADE IN THE OPENING LINE 2A01:4C8:493:18A3:315F:5BD5:DB4A:FB48 (talk) 14:36, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Ms. Rowe is identified at least twice in the article as a nurse. She was a dermatology assistant, not a nurse, big difference. It’s against the law for anyone to claim a nursing license if they don’t have one. I assume this is not due to any error of Ms. Rowe, but rather a Wiki author mistake. Needs to be corrected. Mofitz101 (talk) 19:50, 24 March 2021 (UTC)
Regarding this edit, I believe it adds irrelevant information and bloat to the section.
The value of the Hoffman anecdote is that it demonstrates how Jackson composed for instruments and worked with players. That’s interesting and relevant to a section about Jackson's musicianship.
The fact that Jackson "came in with a new song" is not relevant for this section. Nor is how long he took to write the song - we don't even know what the song is.
I understand this is all in the source, that's not the objection. Popcornfud (talk) 13:02, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
As a non-account Wikipedian I guess I don’t have a lot to say, but may I suggest we revert to my March 4th proposal?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Michael_Jackson#Extended-confirmed-protected_edit_request_on_4_March_2021
Engineer Robert Hoffman recalled Jackson dictating all of a song’s guitar chords note by note
This is precise without being bloated. It also doesn’t suggest that Jackson was just singing ”random” chords, as did the previous wording. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.145.192.53 (talk) 19:32, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Michael jackson had talent that they don't talk about like his beatboxing skills, compose and choreography some of his videos arranging videos, his drawing a d painting skills. Ddawkins256 (talk) 09:17, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
(talk) 09:17, 13 March 2021 (UTC) Agree that there is too little on his page about his actual talents. There should be a section dedicated to his drawings. Guitarjunkie22 (talk) 22:15, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
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Does this sentence violate any of these -- WP:MOSBio ,WP: RECENTISM , WP:LEAD , WP: Summary -- and therefore should it be removed from the lead:
"Seven years later, the documentary Leaving Neverland, which detailed allegations of child sexual abuse, led to another media backlash against Jackson"
and should section 2.5 be renamed to "Posthumous child sexual abuse allegations"? castorbailey (talk) 01:05, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
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As a thought experiment, if some new allegation were made every fifteen years for the next half century, and each one had a brief period of repercussion before fading into obscurity, would we then need separate lede coverage of allegations being made forty, fifty-five, or seventy years after the claimed occurrence?
That editor can believe what he wants to believe, however, I thought that this was neutral ground where all are welcomed to share their views? This is why I hesitate to contribute on Wikipedia. I seriously have to think at times is it even worth the trouble that you get for just expressing a view. It's annoying. (talk — Preceding undated comment added 18:59, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
Timericon (talk) 03:41, 16 March 2021 (UTC)
I've been meaning to post this for some time, but real life has gotten in the way so I haven't had the time until now. I have been watching this RfC and I'm very concerned that there is a considerable amount of off-wiki canvassing that is tainting the results. This is not an accusation I make lightly. General sanctions have already been authorized on Jackson-related articles due to off-wiki canvassing and meatpuppetry, and there is abnormal, suspicious behavior surrounding this RfC.
I wanted to bring this up before this RfC gets closed, so the closer knows that there are signs of shady stuff going on behind-the-scenes. JOEBRO64 13:54, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
BD2412, what do you make of such concerns? Regardless of this accusation (an allegation of current, ongoing canvassing that cannot be proven), the fact is that votes are usually followed by arguments, and it is mostly such arguments, the validity thereof and Wiki policies that determine the outcome of an RfC. TruthGuardians' statement is based on certain observations of his he previously did explain (incl. an edit summary once made by Popcornfud: "the biased language in this article is beginning to cause me physical pain."). Certain editors (incl. late Flyer22, a proficient editor) had no problem repeatedly accusing other editors of being "MJ fans," "rabid fans" and what not, so why would the opposite observation be irrefutably objectionable and lack of assuming good faith? That observation is in no way an admission of a "pro-MJ" side. Truth be told, editors may have their personal views on certain topics, but they are asked to edit Wiki in a fair, neutral and unbiased manner.
It is a fact that users Bananasasas , Hugsruing (sockpuppet of Bananasasas), Uranarse/Universelike , Jude1313 , ThunderPeel2001/WikiMane and Excelse were all blocked (indefinitely, for six months or less) due to their actions (edit-warring, flaming, sockpuppetry, etc.) pertaining to Michael Jackson-related articles and discussions, and they were definitely, observably not "MJ fans" or admirers by any means. Flyer22 herself admitted she had seen POV-pushing on both sides, so it is preposterous to only suspect "MJ fans" of currently indulging in off-Wiki canvassing. Besides, an RfC will attract those who watch the article but may not edit often as well as anyone who has an interest in the topic (not necessarily a partisan interest) plus those who see the RfC on the general Request for Comments page. Israell (talk) 07:27, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Baseless accusation of canvassing
I edited 10 days before this RFC even appeared, not months let alone a year earlier and it was an edit on this very page. How is that inactivity? On 26 February 2021 I came here to comment on another issue. I already explained when I removed your note that I voted as soon as I saw the RFC on the talk page which I monitored since 26 February 2021 precisely because I was part of that other discussion. Nobody canvassed me. I was aware of the previous talk page vote on this issue too.PinkSlippers (talk) 12:19, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
For someone to say that I hadn't edited in "a while" when I had quite a few edits under my belt before I even wrote what I did. It's just completely false. What I find disgusting is that these editors can just make baseless accusations about 'canvassing' something I never heard of and had to look up to find out what the definition meant on Wikipedia, but that these "editors" claim to have NO evidence, but can just throw names out and repeatedly accuse people pf canvassing based on nothing. What are you using? Tarot cards? Crystal balls? Did the Devil suggest it? None of it makes any sense. (talk)Supermodelsonya 4/7/2021 (UTC)
Based on this should we assume JOEBRO64 was canvassed by Popcornfud, especially since his vote showed up just a day after Popcornduf's and otherwise he has no history of paying attention to Michael Jackson's page but as admitted above has a history of talking to Popcornfud? Should we assume Popcornfud asked JOEBRO64 to post this here to undermine the result because Popcornfud does not like the result? Especially since Popcornfud actively participated in that talk page discussion in 2019 so he has to know this RfC is not out of the blue and JOEBRO64 just happened to make the same provably false claim. Looks like the pot calls the kettle black.
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May you please delete the Michael Jackson mugshot pic in the trial section? It is really annoying to see that in Wikipedia, and that creates wiki audience to feel frightened towards MJ because that mugshot pic does not truly resemble Michael. Please delete that...I just don't want to see that in Wikipedia... WAKANDAEDITNBA (talk) 07:30, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
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template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:19, 23 May 2021 (UTC)Michael Jackson could play the guitar, keyboards and drums, but he was not proficient at these instruments. contribs) 14:40, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
I already read this policy, Popcornfud. Park132! (talk)
After a month, Can I re-add these categories to the Michael Jackson page, just dancer and singer? Park132! (talk)
I already re-added funk and African American male dancers to the category list. Park132! (talk)
After two months, can I re-add these categories to the Michael Jackson page, just instruments? I saw that Michael Jackson playing instruments at home videos, photos and recordings, but not on stage. Park132! (talk)
I can see that he played instruments in photos and home videos and recordings, Popcornfud. Park132! (talk)
I will remember the WP:NONDEF policy, Popcornfud. Park132! (talk) 13:47, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
Why is Michael Joe Jackson the only 'other name' mentioned in 'other names'? What about 'MJ', 'The Gloved One', or 'Wacko Jacko'?
What is "3, including Paris" supposed to mean? Why would this need to be specified? Is there public belief that Paris shouldn't be included? Fergie the Bitter (talk) 04:16, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
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I would like to add that Michael Jackson was also a record producer. He produced Aaron Hall and Quo's remake of Yarbrough and People's Don't Stop The Music. 82.3.57.137 (talk) 17:24, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
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Michael Jackson was also a record producer. It was already mentioned by another user here, but it 100% should be added as one of the occupations. He has produced music for other musicians (mentioned above by another user) as well as produced or co-produced many of his own songs as well. RandomGuy2018 (talk) 12:57, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
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According to David Gest and Lisa Minneli, long time friends of Michael, n even by Michael himself chemical castration is just a tabloid rumour one of many lies that always were there in media through out his life to tarnish his image. Further, his voice changed from his teens to this is it. Some of them can be 2006 Diamond awards n in the closet history tour performances, 2000 watts song and the recording of sedated Michael talking to the very so called Doctor Conrad Murray during This is It. Tiara Moonlight (talk) 11:58, 26 July 2021 (UTC) In 2018, Jackson's physician Conrad Murray said that Joe had chemically castrated Michael and forced him to undergo hormone treatment as a child to stop his voice changing.[28]
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Below the fourth picture, I suggest "Randy Jackson" is changed to Randy Jackson, since all other siblings in that picture is written with a link to their respective articles. Olympicbandy (talk) 19:17, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
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In the section, Move to Epic and Off the Wall, the following image is shown:
It was an image of the Jackson siblings on their show The Jacksons; and today the image was cropped to only show Michael; making the caption in the section not really make sense. I request that either the image is reverted back to the previous edit of the image, or the caption in the article be changed from the current caption to something like "Jackson on the television program The Jacksons, in 1977."; to fit with the recent change. Realmaxxver (talk) 20:13, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
Out of boredom I decided to read MJ's article today and I came across a "Cite Error" on reference 318 in the "Posthumous Sales" subsection. May anyone please fix it so that the proper source can be displayed? Here's the error message:
Cite error: The named reference Swift-Boyle was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
Thanks, PantheonRadiance (talk) 03:03, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
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So I’m moving discussion about the philanthropy changes here. Here’s my official edit request though there’s things I think should be discussed first, like whether to use the term “philanthropist” or “humanitarian” in the lede.
This is the proposed change for the lede:
Michael Joseph Jackson (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009) was an American singer, songwriter, dancer and philanthropist.
I also propose that philanthropy is re-added into this sentence:
Over a four-decade career, his contributions to music, dance, fashion and philanthropy, along with his publicized personal life, made him a global figure in popular culture
This is an additional paragraph I propose to summarize his philanthropy to justify having “philanthropist” in the lede. This paragraph can be added as the final paragraph in the lead section:
Jackson has been known for his philanthropic ventures, donating an estimated $500 million throughout his lifetime [1], although true figures may be higher as Jackson often donated anonymously. Jackson’s charitable work and activism involved multiple tracks, including We are the World(which he co-wrote with Lionel Richie), Man in the Mirror, and Heal the World. From 1992 until it’s disbandment in 2002, Jackson’s Heal the World Foundation raised millions to help improve living conditions for children around the world. [2] [3] RyanAl6 (talk) 02:59, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
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template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 03:11, 29 August 2021 (UTC)Can this link in "See also" be removed? We don't need links to that article on every artist that made music during the album era.--InPursuitOfAMorePerfectUnion (talk) 01:18, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
I was thinking we could add "often referred to by his initials MJ", ala other historical figures who were also frequently known by their initials, e.g. JFK and FDR, who have it mentioned in the lede of their articles. Jackson also qualifies as he was often referred to by his initials as well. --InPursuitOfAMorePerfectUnion (talk) 18:07, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
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