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The result of the debate was close early. —Khoikhoi 00:25, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Mesud Barzani → Mesûd Barzanî – The correct spelling of his name in Kurdish is with the diacritics. I believe that not using them would essentially be misspelling his name. —Khoikhoi 05:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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I have deleted the copyvio text and restored a clean version. --Aguerriero (talk) 22:37, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Both the spellings (Masoud and Massoud) are common in English texts. However, among these two, Masoud is more consistent with the original spelling. Also, in the official governmental website (www.krg.org), it's written as "Masoud". Jahangard 06:10, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
The official spelling should take precedence, just because their are more hits on an incorrect spelling does not mean it is right. It should be changed to Masoud.Csim125 (talk) 15:49, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
The brief information I have added on this subject has repeatedly been removed. As an encyclopaedia, Wikipedia, must of course include information that is less than flattering about the subjects. Please do not remove again. If you have reservations about this information on Massoud Barzani, try rewriting instead.--Vindheim (talk) 18:08, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
The correct spelling for the name is Masoud Barzani, with one 's' in the first name. But the article title includes two occurances of 's'. His official biogrpahy at www.krp.org/MasoudBarzani, spells it with one 's'.
I have tried to 'move' the article to rename it, but the request is not allowed.
Masoud Barzani's uncle Mahmoud, the elder brother of Mulla Mustafa Barzani, is reported to have become a Christian convert in 1931. However no such claims have (afaIk) been made concerning the famous Mulla Mustafa.--Vindheim (talk) 21:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
All Barzani Family in Iraq is Jewish not Muslim or Christian. You can look at Kurdish Jews — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eminonuk (talk • contribs) 14:30, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
This is confusing. The first Gulf war was the Iran-Iraq war. The second Gulf war was 1990, the Third Gulf War 2003. Please reference the wars by year (Gulf war 1990). It is confusing to read something happened in the "first Gulf war" and then read about air-interdiction zones enforced by the USA and UK (who did not participate in the first Gulf war). --141.70.81.136 (talk) 12:35, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
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Under the External Links section, please update the Kurdistan Region Presidency website link to: http://krp.org/english/pdisplay.aspx?sm=oYjJbpqKulY= — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.255.160.88 (talk) 11:42, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
There is a serious error in here -- the KDP-PUK civil war did not begin in "December 1994". I was in Hawler (Erbil) in July of '94 and saw it happening myself. It actually started in May 1994. The wiki entry on the civil war has the correct start date -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_Kurdish_Civil_War
I would also like to offer a few suggestions:
1) Regarding spelling of the name, shouldn't we try to correct errors, no matter how popular, by indicating that the official spelling is Masoud? I've made this error (of two 's's instead of one) too many times in my own publications on the Kurds, and it's been pointed out to me that two s's indicate a stress that just doesn't exist in his name.
2) I suggest the following rewrite of the section on the "autonomous zone" -- as is, the description starts and stops at the wrong points in time, which will probably confuse people unfamiliar with the issue:
1st paragraph stays the same. After that, change to read: Just a few months after the creation of the autonomous zone, free elections (a first in Iraq) were held there in 1992. The vote split fairly evenly between the KDP and PUK. The two parties then agreed to divide all the posts of the new Kurdish government evenly between them, with a PUK vice-minister for every KDP minister and vice versa. In May 1994, however, fighting broke out between the Peshmerga of the PUK and of KDP (in a region subject to both international sanctions and Saddam Hussein's sanctions, resources were exceedingly scarce, and competition over what little was available probably helped spark the confrontation). Several armistice agreements were made and broken.
In the summer of 1996 Massoud Barzani called on the assistance of Saddam Hussein's regime to help him combat the PUK, which was receiving Iranian assistance. With the aid of the Iraqi army (some of whose Republican Guard units entered the Kurdish region for about 2 weeks' time), they drove the PUK over the border to Iran. The PUK eventually regrouped and with Iranian assistance retook Suleimani and parts of Hawler province. An end to the civil war was brokered in 1998 in the Washington Peace Accords, leaving the Kurdish zone divided between the two dominant parties; KDP in the Northwest and PUK in the Southeast.
From that time until 2003, there actually existed two parallel Kurdistan Regional Governments, with the KDP and PUK each running their own ministries headed by their own Minister of Interior, Prime Minister, Education Minister, and so forth. Gareth Stansfield [add citation to his 2003 book -- Iraqi Kurdistan: Political Development and Emergent Democracy, Routledge/Curzon, 2003] described the post-1998 status quo as actually beneficial, however, because it encouraged competition to deliver better governance in the two Kurdistan Regional Governments.
After 2003 the KDP and PUK embarked on an escalating series of efforts to reconcile their competing administrations, effectively creating a united Kurdish front in post-Saddam Iraq. Today all the ministries have been unified, as have Kurdistan's representation offices abroad (the KDP and PUK used to each run their own pseudo-embassies abroad). Although questions remain regarding the actual unification of especially the Ministry of Peshmerga (the equivalent of the Ministry of Defense in other countries), even this has officially been put under the command of the Kurdistan Regional Government and currently (2013) has a Minister from the PUK in charge, who answers directly to the Prime Minister (currently Nechirvan Barzani of the KDP).
3) The "criticism" section of the page looks problematic to me, given that Masoud Barzani is a living person. I just compared it to the page on Vladimir Putin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin) -- the critical language on Putin is much more careful (and the vast majority of the bio is much more full of praise for him, but that's a separate issue) and backed up by substantiated claims. On Masoud, I don't believe it's been proven that he personally owns much of anything. I would thus suggest changing the following sentences: "Massoud Barzani and his relatives allegedly control a large number of commercial enterprises in Kurdistan-Iraq, with a gross value of several billion US dollars. The family is routinely accused of corruption and nepotism by some Kurdish media as well as international observers including Michael Rubin. President Barzani on several occasions has denied involvement in any commercial enterprises." The change I would suggest is: "Members of the Barzani family allegedly control a large number of commercial enterprises in Iraqi Kurdistan, with a gross value of several billion dollars, although no evidence of such ownership by Masoud Barzani himself exists. While accusations of corruption against both the KDP-Barzanis and the PUK-Talabanis are often levied by both Kurdish sources and international observers like Michael Rubin [add the citation here], a lack of financial transparency in the region serves to both exacerbate the accusations and hamper efforts to find any evidence of malfeasance."
David Romano
Thomas G. Strong Professor of Middle East Politics
Missouri State University
Author, The Kurdish Nationalist Movement (Cambridge University Press, 2006) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.202.176.147 (talk) 19:23, 15 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi, the page is protected but it should be updated in the referendum section that he is no longer president and that it is now Nechirvan Barzani Timrosen (talk) 11:37, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Masoud Barzani is known for his traditional clothing, it would be better to put a picture from him with his traditional clothing. --Alan Genco (talk) 15:55, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
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