Talk:Mariano R. Vázquez

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On 8 April 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Marià Rodríguez i Vázquez to Mariano R. Vázquez. The result of the discussion was moved.

A fact from Mariano R. Vázquez appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 September 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: Did you know... that Mariano R. Vázquez oversaw the integration of anarchists into the government during the Spanish Civil War? A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2024/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Mariano R. Vázquez.

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Requested move 8 April 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Dab created at Mariano Vázquez (closed by non-admin page mover) ❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 17:11, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

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Marià Rodríguez i Vázquez → Mariano R. Vázquez – While looking through my sources on Vázquez, I found that the Catalanised "Marià Rodríguez i Vázquez" doesn't seem to be as common as I'd initially thought when I first translated the article in 2020. Going through my own sources, as well as searches on Google Scholar, it appears that his common name is in Spanish, although what variant of it is the most common isn't so clear. These variants include the use of the full Spanish name "Mariano Rodríguez Vázquez", the version with a contracted patrilineal "Mariano R. Vázquez", the solely matrilineal name "Mariano Vázquez" and the nickname "Marianet".

These are often used interchangeably, so it's difficult to figure out which version to use for the article title. As I'm not sure about us using nicknames for article titles (i.e. we don't call Dolores Ibárruri "La Pasionaria" in the article title), I'll rule out "Marianet". The full Spanish name "Mariano Rodríguez Vázquez" also appears to be less common, which makes sense as Vázquez himself preferred to drop his patrilineal surname. This leaves the contracted "Mariano R. Vázquez" and the matrilineal-only "Mariano Vázquez", which seem to be the ones most used in my own sources.

My instinct is to provisionally propose we move the article to "Mariano R. Vázquez", as it appears to be marginally more common in English sources and as that's how he usually signed his name in documents. It also disambiguates sufficiently from the Argentine footballer Mariano Vázquez. So I wanted to open this up for discussion rather than unilaterally moving, as there are so many options without an obvious choice, I want to seek consensus on the best one. Feel free to comment with which variant you think we should use for the title. Grnrchst (talk) 09:32, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom, although I'd probably create DAB at Mariano Vázquez, and move the footballer to Mariano Vázquez (footballer).--Ortizesp (talk) 12:56, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

• I'd support that too, not sure which if either of them are the primary topic. --Grnrchst (talk) 14:24, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

General comments

I'll be adding little bits and pieces to this review until it's done, hopefully won't take too long. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 23:27, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Thankyou for bringing this to GA, you've clearly put a lot of work into it. The following is going to sound a bit hot, but I want this page to be the best it can be. I'm a little over a 1/3 through by my estimation, and there's a lot of things that are not clear. A big part of the reason is that it I have NPOV concerns. I hope by reading the following you can see why. I also think the article could be improved with the surgical, precise addition of background information. The reader is assumed to have a lot of context, i.e. the CNT is never defined. I want to read your responses to my concerns before I continue, as I think you might be able to quell them. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 03:24, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for taking this on! I hope I'll be able to address your concerns on this. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:12, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Great work on the revisions, particularly over my NPOV concerns, essentially allayed. I'll do a second sweep now.

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by DimensionalFusion talk 10:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that during the Spanish Civil War, Mariano R. Vázquez oversaw the integration of anarchists into the government of Spain?

• Source: Sierra, María; Pro, Juan (October 2022). "Gypsy Anarchism: Navigating Ethnic and Political Identities". European History Quarterly. 52 (4): 598–599. doi:10.1177/02656914221097011. hdl:10261/280207. ISSN 0265-6914.

• • ALT1: ... that Mariano R. Vázquez wanted to prolong the Spanish Civil War, as he believed that the outbreak of World War II would force the Western allies to intervene and help the Spanish Republicans? Source: Bolloten, Burnet (1991). The Spanish Civil War: Revolution and Counterrevolution. University of North Carolina Press. pp. 625–626. ISBN 0-8078-1906-9. LCCN 89-77911.
  • ALT2: ... that Mariano R. Vázquez thought the Spanish Revolution of 1936 had been a mistake, as he believed it had frightened off potential Western allies from supporting the Spanish Republicans? Source: Wexler, Alice (1989). "Spain and the World". Emma Goldman in Exile: From the Russian Revolution to the Spanish Civil War. Boston: Beacon Press. pp. 229–230. ISBN 0-8070-7004-1. LCCN 88-43317.
  • ALT3: ... that criticisms of Mariano R. Vázquez for his tenure as Secretary General of the CNT were often infused with anti-Romani sentiment? Source: Sierra, María; Pro, Juan (October 2022). "Gypsy Anarchism: Navigating Ethnic and Political Identities". European History Quarterly. 52 (4): 600–602. doi:10.1177/02656914221097011. hdl:10261/280207. ISSN 0265-6914.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kaylee Bryson

Improved to Good Article status by Grnrchst (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 38 past nominations.

Grnrchst (talk) 11:40, 11 August 2024 (UTC).

• Article is long enough and promoted to GA one day before DYK nom. Article is presentable, well-sourced and copyvio free. Hooks are interesting and cited (one is inaccessible). QPQ done. Approving on good faith, thank you for your nomination Grnrchst! Kimikel (talk) 03:04, 9 September 2024 (UTC)