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Reporter in Indonesia says colonial rule ended in 1945 but site suggests 1950. Please reconcile.—Chris Hawke AP
Page says "although it is not particularly stable."
Is the instability political or geological?Vicki Rosenzweig
(I) the Moluccas proper or Ternate group, of which Halmahera is the largest and Ternate the capital; (2) the Bachjan, Obi, and Xulla groups; (3) the Amboyna group, of which Ceram (Serang) and Buru are the largest; (4) the Banda Islands (the spice ~r nutmeg islands par excellence); (5) the southeastern islands, comprising Timor-Laut or Tenimber, Larat, &c.; (6) the Kei Islands and the Aru Islands, of which the former are sometimes attached to the south-eastern group; and (7) the south-western islands or the Babar, Sermata, Leti, Damar, Roma and Wetar groups Are all these mentioned in their modern names? (Enc. Britt. 1911 ref.) Wetman 06:01, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be better to rename this article as 'Moluccas' ? To talk about the history and why the native population claimed independance within twelve months of the their transfer to Indonesian administration, one has to talk in terms of the Moluccas as understood by the western world and in historical context. And to have separate articles for Indonesia Maluka and North Maluka; all three could then refer to each other as needed, could such Maluka articles carry more of the Indonesian spin and tourism stuff?Daeron 07:26, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I don't understand many of the changes made by 211.30.95.182 to the pre-1945 history i contributed: eg: the Dutch version of events concerning their first fort on Ambon has been restored. Mention of Islamic influence has been removed. Is this improvement? Adhib 18:13, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)
There's certainly independent evidence that Islam had reached these outer islands by the sixteenth century (in Jesuit and Dutch sources) although it was never deeply ingrained, which is fairly typical of Indonesian Islam. The sultans of Ternate and Tidore were Muslim: one of the reason they came into conflict with the Portuguese, who were imbued with the fanatical spirit of the Inquisition. The Dutch alliance with Islamic elements (as Protestants they were more hostile to Catholicism than to Islam) helped them establish themselves in the late 16th century. Leo Scheps
first without time-travel the "Dutch colonial era" can not happen after the 'intergration' into Indonesia. So the sentence is currently nonsensical and requires editing. second, it is misrepresentative of the current political status; it suggests that the region was under a colonization process under the Dutch, and that it is not a colony under Indonesian occupation; which again is in error. If you do not believe the NGO reports about resource exploition and repression of the native populations rights; I have two fine videos confirming the current status I can send you, either on DVD or as a computer file. The people of the Moluccas seem to have a very strong case for stating that they are a colony of Indonesia.211.30.95.182 03:20, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I'm talking about ethnogeographic areas, not nationalities. Granted, the Moluccas/Maluku falls in an ethnic area of transition between the two very general terms "Indonesia" (referring not to the nation-state but rather the ethnogeographic area) and "Melanesia". This is understood. But it is misleading to simply refer to Moluccans as "Melanesian", as they at least equally as much Indonesian. Most Moluccan languages are Austronesian (admittedly not a disqualifier by any means as Fijian is an Austronesian language as well; most New Guinea languages, however, are non-Austronesian). In any event, perhaps some better term or at least a qualification is in order. Arjuna808 08:48, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Could "the Moluccas", that is "Maluku", be derived from Meluhha? Either because settlers from Meluhha to Maluku named it that just as English settlers gave English names to North American places, or because Meluhha simply means port. (These two becauses blend together.)Rich 17:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Vanuatu has austronesian languages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.73.123.8 (talk) 10:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Is there a reason to restrict this page to just history and geography? Why not include culture? --Gholton 23:58, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
It's unclear when or how Islam came to this region. I'd like more information on this. Incidentally, I understand that this region is the setting of John Fletcher's 1621 _The Island Princess_, which depicts Portuguese Catholics dealing with the island's Muslim rulers (though of course Fletcher's understanding of Islam is pretty much nil). I was hoping to get a better sense of the region's religious history by reading this article. ThaddeusFrye 19:42, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
There is a commune of Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of Congo which is also called Maluku and it redirects here by mistake. Should we turn Maluku into a disambig page? AndrewRT(Talk) 20:19, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS to move page, per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 07:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Maluku Islands → Moluccas per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English). English names are used for other Indonesian islands (cf. Borneo, Java, Sumatra). And "Maluku Islands" is a hybrid Bahasa Indonesia/English form (the real Indonesian is Kepulauan Maluku). — AjaxSmack 07:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Added comment - the most recent edition of Indonesia from Lonely Planet (2007 edition) p 747 "Maluku (formerly known as the Moluccas) - simple! - precise and the largest selling current tourist guide book or handbook for tourists in Indonesia SatuSuro 10:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
So, BBC seems to be the only site where Moluccas is the more common term. (Caniago 13:00, 8 January 2007 (UTC))
One should use judgment in such cases as to what would be the least surprising to a user finding the article. Whichever is chosen, one should place a redirect at the other title and mention both forms in the lead.
This used to be clear when the whole region was one province. It was Maluku. But now that the region is divided into two provinces – “Maluku” and “North Maluku”, the term Maluku can be confusing.
In my opinion, the pages and redirects are all good. I’m not seeking to move pages or change redirects. For example:
I am looking for suggestions on how to write this in prose? It's clear that if distinguishing between the provinces, we can write the "province of Maluku" or "province of North Maluku". Or "North Maluku province", etc. The real question is, say in an article where reference is to the region, do we write “Maluku” or “the Maluku Islands”. My gut tells me “Maluku” and recently I’ve been using this, but I’m not sure about this.
Just to repeat, I'm not talking about moving pages or changing redirects. I just want suggestions on the best way to refer to the region in the prose of other articles. "Maluku" or "the Maluku Islands" or other?
Any suggestions would be helpful. Cheers --Merbabu (talk) 01:42, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Maluku as it stand is ambiguous - and Maluku Islands sounds much better - I would say Maluku Islands for any reference to the region SatuSuro 03:56, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
This is not the "former" name. It's still the more common form when discussing the islands themselves. "Maluku" tends to be used for the political divisions.
GBook hits (excluding WP, pub. since 1990):
GScholar hits:
— kwami (talk) 00:16, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
To be honest, the background information seems almost entirely out of place. It's not even background of the Moluccan history itself. 83.83.1.229 (talk) 13:33, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
The etymology section says the name may have come from an Arab trader's words meaning island of the kings. This could well be a folk etymology...for ex, is there any history to support thinking the island was unusually well supplied with kings?...the source is the second ed. of a 1991 book. That's not recent.Rich (talk) 14:10, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
"People of Tidore during visit by hospital ship USNS Mercy (T-AH-19)" wow! wokipedia as propaganda instrument of the USA army? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.43.195.27 (talk) 13:36, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
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Could someone who actually understands what this mean please CLARIFY the phrase "The Maluku Islands formed a single province from Indonesian independence...."? This doesn't really make sense to me; I have no idea what it means. "formed a province /FROM/...independence"? Huh? Thanks! philiptdotcom (talk) 19:48, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
Are the Maluku Islands politically a part of Indonesia? This point is not clearly specified anywhere. Could someone who knows the answer to this please clearly include the answer to this (preferably in the introductory paragraph--and possibly also in the section on recent/current history)? Thanks! philiptdotcom (talk) 19:51, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
An IP editor (2001:1C01:3BC3:1700::/64, 94.212.255.56) has been repeatedly changing the "location" in the infobox from Southeast Asia to Oceania, in this and related articles on the islands. The reason given is usually something like: All the islands of Maluku are located at the east side of Weber’s line so therefore their geographical location is in Oceania.
The user has not cited any reliable source for this classification.
The edits have been reverted by several other editors, including JarrahTree, Merbabu, Davidelit, Þjarkur, and others, who have suggested that the boundaries of what is generally considered Oceania are not defined in this way. I'm asking the IP editor to present evidence, in the form of reliable, published sources, that a significant majority of experts on the subject share their viewpoint, and/or to stop making the changes. Continuing to repeat the same edits may lead to being blocked from editing, or to the article being locked and protected from IP edits. Thanks for your understanding. --IamNotU (talk) 16:07, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
It could also be that the articles in question are PP until such time an argument with a well resourced set of reference(s) are presented that allows the proponent of the eccentric reading of oceania's boundary an opportunity to be actually examined. JarrahTree 23:07, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
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Francis Drake on Ternate about 1579? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.28.145.40 (talk) 04:40, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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