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Wow! I didn't know De Morgan (remember De Morgan's theorems?!) was born in Madurai. Many thanks to whoever added this piece of info!! ~elviajero (talk · contribs) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elviajero (talk • contribs) 22:24, 7 April 2005 (UTC)
It'll be interesting if someone can fish information about Madurai of the Sangam era and the exact manner in which it was burnt as described in the Silappadikaram. I am doing some amateur look at records and geological information, which points out to a possible minor volcanic eruption in the 3rd Century BCE. I still need to get hard evidence, but I want to know if anyone else has a similar hypothesis in relation to its destruction. There is a definite record of what is interpreted as a Tsunami occuring after the burning indicating some geological (seismic?) event. --Beta 17:19, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
I have removed some reference to school education for girls. Since I was born in Madurai, and I have been living here in Madurai for the past 35 years, I know Madurai very well. There are 3 exclusive women colleges and hundreds of Girls schools. Can any body get a seat for a relative girl of mine this year. I think the writer has worn some colored glasses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.11.89.207 (talk • contribs)
Some anonymous user had re-inserted the external link to Telugu Association of North America (Looks like someone is trying to promote their website by adding a link in here, which is not right). I've removed it as I don't think it's relevant to this article. Sure, Telugu is a great language, and Madurai may have a minority Telugu speaking population, but it's not appropriate to have this link, and for that matter, any language related links on this page. The focus should be on the place, not on the languages spoken there. ~elviajero (talk · contribs), Jul 9, 2005
Someone has re-inserted the Telugu Association of North America link, again. I've reverted the insertion again, but I sure do think this guy is going to put it back after a few days. This person has also added this link in Coimbatore, Tanjore and Chennai pages. ~elviajero (talk · contribs), Jul 17, 2005
It is certainly not appropriate to have a link to an association dealing with Telugu people in USA. However, I would like to point out that the glorious contribution of Telugu Nayaks was deliberately downplayed in the article. All Madurai people should remember that but for Viswanatha Nayak and Tirumala Nayak, the present day Madurai would have been bereft of its great temples and some other places of worship present their place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.197.227.228 (talk) 12:36, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
"At the time of the 2001 census it was the second largest city in the state of Tamil Nadu after Chennai." -- this message is totally irrelevent. What is necessity of writing old statistic ? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 59.92.103.93 (talk) 09:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC).
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Hi all,
i have done some major cleanup to the article to make it look more in standards of encarta ... Coments and discussions (until it doesnt elope physically ;) ) are welcome and i am open to revert anything that is unencyclopedic but would never bind to non secular unencyclopedic porpagandas... LEts join hands to make this more better article
07:30, 28 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karthikeyan.pandian (talk • contribs)
The whole article suffers from very poor grammar, irrelevant information, and a bit of Vandalism. (What's about the salem thing?) I've started the process of cleaning it up and am halfway through the History part. Hopefully I'll finish it soon.
If you have any ideas, let's discuss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.36.32.153 (talk) 12:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC (UTC)
I've removed a couple of names from the list of notable people born in Madurai. I've also removed external links to two Telugu pages and Sourashtra college since I don't think they are relevant to this topic for the following reasons.
It's mentioned that Sourashtrians make up for about 20-30% of Madurai's population. I think they do, but in the absence of any official figures to substantiate this claim, it's best to say that they maintain a significant presence in the city and not give any numbers. Do let me know if you disagree. ~elviajero (talk · contribs), Jul 8, 2005
Elviajero, can you please update the image with it's copyright status? The referenced site seems to suggest that the photo might not be released under any of the licenses that would allow us to use it. Refer to WP:IUP for more information. Calvinkrishy 09:18, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
There are 3 things that make it so. (1) Too few references (2) The authors non neutral viewpoint....Like in the people section "The people of Madurai are amicable, hospitable, and deeply respect and value their traditions. " These kind of sentences DO NOT belong in an encyclopedia. This pattern is repeated in the entire article. Another example is in the "present problem" section, where the author wrote "The elite and professionals who ought to guide their fellow citizens into the new economy shrug away from their responsibilities, and worse, move to other cities looking for greener pastures and settle down there" I would like to remind the author that this is an encyclopedia not an opinion essay on what some one OUGHT to do. 71.174.89.104 (talk) 18:23, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
In the geography section:
Madurai, with an area of 52 km² (now extended up to 130 km²)[3] is located at 9.93° N 78.12° E.[4] It has an average elevation of 101 meters above Mean Sea Level.
In the Infobox:
Area:109 km² (42 sq mi) Elevation: 8 m (26 ft) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tcp-ip (talk • contribs) 19:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I expect the population "decline" indicated in the chart here in fact was growth but suburban sprawl -- small de-population of the traditional center perhaps as the urban area expanded. So the heading is misleading: I suggest "trends" instead, with an explanation of the regional expansion -- someone should confirm this, though. --Kessler (talk) 04:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
I think this section currently is just listing schools in Madurai. This is not what the section is supposed to be. We need to cut it down to only those that are "noteworthy" either by age or for some other reason. It would be great if someone familiar with Madurai can do the edits or at least provide the information in this talk page. ɤіɡʍаɦɤʘʟʟ 21:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Examples of local colleges, however, are very useful for overseas i.e. non-Indian readers, in understanding the current Indian technology/globalization miracle, to which they are key. So I have added a link as-suggested, to the Sourastra example, and left it in: by seeing and exploring such a site, an overseas user can begin to appreciate the great depth of the social experiment now under way -- a mere note that "there are a lot of colleges" doesn't say enough, every place has "a lot of colleges". --Kessler (talk) 11:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
please don't keep images centre aligned that too expanded to 500px. Right aligned with 160-180px gives better look to the article.-wasifwasif —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasifwasif (talk • contribs) 10:10, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
Please provide the address —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.199.131.9 (talk) 08:28, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Adding a photo - picture of St. Mary's church, Victoria bridge, Vaigai River, Madura Coats will bring Madurai live on the web —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.92.55.173 (talk) 17:44, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
i added a photo of St.Marys cathedral. but was deleted due to license issues. I have no idea about where to get the licensed image of St.Mary's church.-wasifwasif — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasifwasif (talk • contribs) 06:26, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
A new section POLITICS has been created in Madurai with names of number of political parties. this will lead to number of edit conflicts by the supporters of each party. In my view, Names of constituencis along with the populatio and names of representatives alone will do. suggestions please. -- wasifwasif — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasifwasif (talk • contribs) 06:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, There are some repeated edits regarding Madurai's place in the list of Largest city in tamilnadu. It is mentioned with some link as second, immediately it gets edited as third after Chennai and coimbatore. Kindly conclude this issue with some valid references and statistical data. --wsifwasif — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wasifwasif (talk • contribs) 12:25, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Wasif,
I have a problem with the phrase "from its origin". Does it mean from the origin of the city of madurai or the orgin of Tamil country/state of Tamil Nadu/Madras Presidency etc?.
It is for this reason i removed the "from its origin" in your edit. We only know the populations of all cities since the 1871 census. We need to make this clear. So i propose we remove the vague "from its origin" and make it clear we are taking only about Tamil Nadu (as Tamil Nadu comes immediately after the paranthesis).
--Sodabottle (talk) 14:59, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
Its generally a known fact that Madurai was teh second largest city after chennai and to be particular from the origin of Tamil Nadu. SO i think it would be better to mention that. Wasifwasif (talk) 11:55, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
a few points:
--Sodabottle (talk) 08:31, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Sikandhar Shah, Ala-ud-Din Udauji and Jalaluddin Ahsan Khan are not notable rulers of Madurai by any stretch. As i explained above, Madurai Sultanate had a very brief existence when compared to other dynasties/kingdoms. Their rule was brief (10 years, less than a year and 4 years respectively), during a period of turmoil and they have been disparaged by foreign visitors during their reign. They had control of very little territory outside of Madurai and were not emperors. If you want to add notable rulers, try Neduncheliyan III (thalayalanganathu cheru vendra pandyan), Jatavarman Sundara Pandyan, Maravarman Kulasekara Pandyan I, Thirumalai Nayak and Rani Mangammal. But even these are debatable as notable. I am struggling to assume good faith here, but singling out three kings (one of them who ruled less than a year) of an obscure dynasty as notable rulers is blatant POV pushing.--Sodabottle (talk) 17:52, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
While adding local freedom fighters add with a source. Some of the ones i removed had no or little association with Madurai. For instance Bharathi worked in sethupathi high school for just 7 months in 1904. Thats the extent of his association with Madurai; Quaid-E-Millet Muhammad Ismail was a leader of Tirnelveli District, not Madurai. So while adding any name, add a reference and how he was connected to Madurai, not far fetched connections.--Sodabottle (talk) 18:13, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
Why do you object to covering the period between 550 CE and 1306 CE?. I am describing all major incidents during history of Madurai in one line. You are right about keeping it short/summary style. I will remove the dark period description line and reinsert this instead. then it would be covering all time periods without a gap.--Sodabottle (talk) 15:16, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
Crime rate, doesn't it creates a panic among the readers? Wikipedia is widely referred and Madurai and maduraiites are in major dependednt on Tourism industry. Mentioning in particular as 19th in India (yes it is) Will this not affect the industry? This was the only idea behind me removing that info. Whats your thought? Wasifwasif (talk) 15:41, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
As ArunHotty is trying to change the montage, let us discuss here and establish consensus. I believe following images should be there in the montage
I believe all images are available under licence in commons/en wiki. What do you think?--Sodabottle (talk) 06:37, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
This will be ok. From your list, Goripalayam Dargah and Highcourt alone are missing in the image which i have uploaded. WIll include that too. Wasifwasif (talk) 06:01, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
a better resolution (and colour) image of theppakulam is available in Commons. Can you use it to replace the black and white one in the current montage?--Sodabottle (talk) 07:53, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Will replace that shortly. Wasifwasif (talk) 15:22, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
Can you give me the link or the image name.? I couldn't find the exact image. Wasifwasif (talk) 15:35, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
Hello Wasifwasif, May I know the reason of removing the distance locator from Madurai article? It is a standard procedure in the IN city articles to include the distance and direction from the capital in the lead. It helps the reader to familarize the location and certainly improves the article quality. If there is no strong reason to remove it from the lead, kindly re-insert the information. Thank you, --Freknsay (talk) 06:40, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Could you please list some articles of major cities, having distance locators. SO that we can adopt the same procedures to madurai too. Wasifwasif (talk) 13:04, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
Please check Coimbatore, Salem, Tamil Nadu, Rourkela, Mangalore, Kochi, Allahabad, etc.. Adding the dist locator in the lead will improve the visibility passed on to the reader. I don't see any negative impact on the article by adding that info. If you still strongly feel that it should be removed from the article, please go ahead. Thanks a lot.--Freknsay (talk) 07:12, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
-We have a map linked. A picture speaks better than 1000 words. Map link will help in locating better than just name of 2 cities and their distance in kms. Removing that for now. Pls confirm. Wasifwasif (talk) 14:38, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
It may be your POV. The map will not give any idea about the distance from state capital. Any ways, I don't have any problem, as I am not involved in the betterment of this article. I wish the editors do not try to WP:OWN the article. Thank you, Freknsay (talk) 04:30, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
can we have 14.5 Arulmigu Tirumohur Kalamega Perumal Temple. 14.6 Arulmigu Tiruvadavoor Temple. 14.7 Arulmigu Pazhamuthir Cholai Murugan Temple. 14.8 Arulmigu Azhagar Koil. 14.9 Thiruvedagam 14.10 Madappuram Badrakali Amman Temple 14.11 Anaimalai: Narashima perumal and Narasinga valli thayar". 14.12 Pandi Kovil Karuppayurani 14.13 Other Important Temples. These temples in seperate article? This are not much familiar compared with the earlier ones. Wasifwasif (talk) 11:52, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
I am removing the "second largest city from its origin till 2004 / 2001" bit from the lead. This is vague and inaccurate. Madurai is thousands of years old. no one know for sure what rank/size it was having prior to regular census started in 1871. For all we know it could have been the largest during some times and sometimes when it was sacked by the Chola and Delhi sultanate armies, it lay in ruins for extended periods. Thus a "since its origin" statement is sweeping and not factual.
We have comparable size and population data only from the 19th century. And going by those historical census details, Madrai ranked behind Chennai and Trichy during 1871-1910. For all the four censusus conducted for this period, trichy had the higher population. Thus trichy was the second largest city by population in TN / Madras presidency for this time period. This line is thus inaccurate, vague and does not belong in the lead.--Sodabottle (talk) 13:46, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
ok fine. then go ahead. Wasifwasif (talk) 06:30, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
An IP is changing Madurai to second largest city using a reference from Ency. Brittanica. In wikipedia, we use the population statistics for determining the largest cities. Thus Madurai comes third after Chennai and Coimbatore (Using both Metropolitan and Urban agglomeration statistics). Brittanica might have a different standard for determining the largest cities or might be having an unrevised article written prior to 2001 (when the coimbatore population became more than madurai population). I suggest the IP respond here before reverting me again.--Sodabottle (talk) 11:40, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
I don't understand the term "Madurai is second largest by land". It is evident that Coimbatore is the second largest urban agglomeration in Tamil Nadu. The term urban agglomeration refers to city and its surrounding sub-urban areas. Now, if we take city limit alone, Coimbatore is second largest by land area. To make it more clear, here is the latest order passed by Tamil Nadu government on city limits.. So, Madurai is third largest by both population and land area, before and after the order passed by government. We never care about the past size. If anybody wants to mention about past size in history, they can do so under "history" section. Don't play around with words. - Boss2boss (talk) 23:20, 4 May 2011 (UTC) ĝ
The sub-urban areas of Coimbatore extends till Avinashi in the north, Tiruppur in the north-east, Palladam in the east and Pollachi in the south. Again there are no definite limits or boundaries for any urban agglomeration rather it is calculated with the help of population. The area may exceed the district or even the state. The sub-urban areas of Delhi extends into states of U.P and Haryana. It is well known that the western districts are the most urbanized part in the state of Tamil Nadu whereas the Madurai region still has lot of rural pockets . Some estimates put the urban areas of Coimbatore (Western) region extending beyond Erode up to Salem and Namakkal. Here are some references which put Coimbatore well ahead of Madurai in urban agglomeration.. Considering the population, city limit, GDP, urban agglomeration or by any other means of land measurement, it is clearly established that Coimbatore is the second largest city in Tamil Nadu. Hence Madurai can be shifted to third place. Hope this explanation helps. - Boss2boss (talk) 23:38, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
The article gives excessive coverage to "Festivals", "Religious Heads" and "Tourism and Landmarks". At the same time, there are only one or two lines each on "Geography", "Demographics" and "Architecture". The presence of too much unencyclopedic stuff makes it look more like a Wikitravel page.-The EnforcerOffice of the secret service 14:38, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
I just had a look at Coimbatore article. Coparing with that, madurai article is too good in terms of info and built up structure. Can someone have a look at Coimbatore article and say in what way make up of this article is disturbing.? Also can someone explain why is that a sudden pour up of so many users who have very less contribution to this article doing these many re arrangement? Sarabsethh (talk) 16:34, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
I have just removed the entire Chittirai subsection, as a copyright violation of content that has existed on the site I named in my edit summary since at least 2002, per the Wayback machine. It was added to this article by an IP here. I guess I'll now have to check all other contributions by this IP because I've already spotted some violations but not bothered to track down who committed them. Oh dear. - Sitush (talk) 15:53, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
I am very conscious of religious sensitivities but also extremely ignorant about religions generally, so please forgive any faux pas in what follows. Trust me, if they exist then they are not intended!
There is a comment regarding the Hazrats and the Big Mosque which did say at one point that these people are descendants of Mohammed. I asked for a citation and Wasifwasif came up with one, which appears to be the official website of the Maqbara. So far, so good. However, I am extremely wary of making such a bold claim as "are" about a lineage stretching back as far as Mohammed. I agree that the Maqbara website says this but, well, it would, wouldn't it? Surely this is rather like citing a Christian website for the statement that Jesus was the son of God, even though plenty of people around the world think that both are fictional characters.
Now, I am not saying that Mohammed is a fictional character. I have no real knowledge and no real interest, but the point remains that pretty much any source for statements relating to him and his descendants is likely to have a POV, which starts (I guess) with whether or not he existed & how much of the writings about him from all those years ago are hagiography and how much are fact. Much the same discussion as can be had with the Bible etc, in other words.
For this reason, I think it is safer to say that the Hazrats are believed to be descendants of Mohammed, rather than that they are. Is this really going to cause massive offence? I do not see why it should: if you believe then the fact is there, and if you do not believe then the "softening" word is there.
Thoughts are welcome but, please, re-read my first two sentences. I am not trying to start some religious war here & have no desire to be on the wrong end of a fatwa. - Sitush (talk) 13:41, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
A section called "The City That Never Sleeps" keeps being added and removed from the article. Although it has a couple of citations for minor points, it is mostly original research and somewhat POV.
There are numerous large cities around the world that have adopted a similar title, either from long ago or as a more modern marketing exercise. It is, to me, pretty meaningless. It could be noted in sentence or two rather than using a full section, bearing in mind that the phrase is already in the lead. Anyone fancy drafting up something that we can all agree on instead of this endless deletion and reinstatement cycle? - Sitush (talk) 10:07, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
Govt. offices which are unique to Madurai, or attracting users from places outside Madurai alone are given a mention in the page. For Eg: High court bench which is next only o chennai is given a mention, whereas Distri court which common across all District HQ is not emntioned. Similiar is the Employment office. Professional Employment office is next only to chennai. Why this is trivial? when Passport office and High court bench are not? Wasifwasif (talk) 14:56, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
In the Indian system too every district has got court, which is not mentioned here. High court and its bench take care of the entire state. Here high court is situated in chennai and its bench in Madurai similar is the Professioanl Employment office which attracts registrants from half of the state. So i guss this should not be trivial. Wasifwasif (talk) 15:07, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
IMO, the highcourt bench is notable, but not the employment and passport offices. The court is notable, because it is very rare for indian states to have more than one high court bench (its one of 30 HC benches that exist in India). Employment offices are present in every fair sized city in TN - all district employment offices serves professional graduates (through internet connectivity), not just the PEEOs in madurai and chennai alone. And three other cities in TN have passport offices - Coimbatore, Trichy and Chennai. So to summarize - high court bench yes, but not the other ones. --Sodabottle (talk) 15:35, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
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In this article, it is being stated that Coimbatore is the second largest city and Madurai is the third largest city in Tamil Nadu. But based on the sources from your website, the area of Madurai is 109 sq km and that of Coimbatore is 105 sq km. Therefore it would be better if Madurai is changed to "the second largest city in the state of Tamil Nadu".
Gniranjank (talk) 06:37, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
I have reverted yet another change from third- to second-largest city. I know that this may in fact become the case but the url provided was cited as being the official Corporation website and yet appears not to be. My reasoning for it appearing not to be are: 1. it would not open 2. there was no domain name, only an IP address 3. the first directory down from the root IP address was "newmducorp", which when couple with [1] and [2] suggests that at best it is a draft/test site.
When/if that IP gets mapped to an official Madurai Corporation domain name then we might be ok but until then it looks plain wrong to me. - Sitush (talk) 23:29, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Even Corporation link will not hold good. This is transition period. A decade ago, Madurai was second largest in TamilNadu. So a lot of websites will tell Madurai as second largest. But during last decade, Coimbatore population grew rapidly and became second largest. To support this, we have population figures from official census and area figures from prominent newspaper. We should be able to derive conclusion from these two. We know how frequently the government websites are updated. The history pages of Corporations and Districts websites were created decades ago and they still contain the same old data. I don't think they will update the pages for another couple of years. Even some of the tour websites say Madurai is second largest.
Two decades ago, Bangalore was smaller than Chennai. But due to growth of IT, Bangalore population is more now. Still some of the older websites show Chennai as bigger city. These are outdated and cannot be referenced. Wikipedia should contain latest data - Boss2boss (talk) 03:25, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
The population table in the demographics section is mostly uncited. I am also uncertain whether the growth always represents a natural increase in population or has been affected by boundary changes. Can anyone resolve this issue? - Sitush (talk) 09:04, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
An inhabitant of Madurai is known as a Maduraiite -- Well if some local newspaper puts like this , how this can be generalized.. this gives a bad opening to the paragraph.. i want this to be removed.. any challengers?
Other languages spoken are Sourashtra, Urdu and English--- Well ... I can agree with Sourashtra only and many people know English .. including urdu here is too trivial... frankly speaking , someone want to include their community here.. should this misrepresentation be allowed ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karthikeyan.pandian (talk • contribs) 07:47, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
hi Sitush ,
You have reverted my following contribution citing GOOD FAITH According to the legends , Brahma is said to have born out of Lotus.The Vishwakarma architects who have built the temple should have used lotus, from which brahma is born, to symbolize the creative prowess of the tamilnadu temple architects. Some of these rectangular streets are named after months in the Tamil calendar. The six major rectangular streets around Meenakshi temple are Chittirai, Aadi, Aavani Moola, Maasi, Maarat and Veli streets.The street that surrounds the temple sanctum but inside the tower is called 'aadi veethi' which translates into English as 'aadi street'. The next ones in sequence are 'chitirai veethi' , 'avani moola veethi ' , 'maasi vethi'.
Let me explain the points
1. Brahma is said to have born out of lotus can be found in the Wikipedia article about Brahma itself .. nevertheless , any book about Hinduism will tell you this.
2. Vishwakarma or Sthapati are people who have built the temple .. when a temple is built its not the ruler who builds it but the Sthapati's or viswakarmas
3. Brahma is the god of creation in hinduism...
4. The rectangular streets are named after tamil months ... how come this can be deleted on good faith
5. The rest of the explanation i have given are true. I was brought up near the temple for 20 years and i know it first hand. Hope wikipedia gives credit to personal knowledge too rather than relying only on Citations..if you have doubt please check out google map regarding the architecture of the streets ..
regards,
Karthikeyan.pandian (talk) 04:57, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
--> --> Citations is : http://hinduism.about.com/od/godsgoddesses/p/brahma.htm
--> --> in those days the stapathis's were vishwakarma's .. its they who build temples ... i am ok with
"The architects who have built the temple should have used lotus".... The temple is based on lotus shape.. anyone who visits this or peeps into the shape using google earth will know .. also there is a 'porthamarai kulam' (golden lotus pond) which is golden lotus right at the centre of the temple
-- Dude .... you cant question everything until you know it .. yet i will provide citation
http://www.indiatravelnext.com/madurai/
also peep into this map . you can underwstand by yourself if you know tamil month names http://g.co/maps/rsknm
the above two citations explains it all...
With the change of omission of viswakarma ( which i am sure but no citations i can find in net yet :( ) i gues your edit can be reverted .. please feel free to discuss for further clarifications ...
Karthikeyan.pandian (talk) 11:29, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
ok ..if one part of the statement is not in agreement it doesnt discard entire para.. atleast i ma going ahead and adding infos about streets.. that one is not a synthesis but 'in front of the eye' 'as is' information ... regarding lotus and brahma and architects , i can wait for some one to arbitrate this ... but how long should be the wait ? 07:35, 18 September 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karthikeyan.pandian (talk) 07:40, 18 September 2011 (UTC)
Well .... the content has no deadline butitsnot necessary to waitfor YOUR free time .... i can too wait but for someone as a goodwill but it the botleneck continues then i have toaks for Arbitration — Preceding unsigned comment added by Karthikeyan.pandian (talk • contribs) 04:24, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
I tagged a lot of statements back in June as they were either uncited or required clarification. I don't think a single one of those tagged issues has been resolved in the interval, although there have been plenty of (often pointless) other contributions.
This type of article is not particularly easy for me to source and so I am giving due warning: if any of the tags remain here in October then I propose to remove them & their related statements. This article is a mess and we need to get a grip on it. I was quite ruthless back then and will be again this time. Similarly, the number of images just makes the article look cluttered, so some of those may go also. - Sitush (talk) 09:43, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
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