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The result of the move request was: not moved. I don't see a strong enough consensus to move away from the current title in the below discussion. I would strongly advise all interested parties to take several months before trying a new move request, though as a non-admin I won't go so far as to set a moratorium. Calidum Talk To Me 02:29, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Madonna (entertainer) → Madonna (singer) – Even though she has appeared in several films, Madonna is undeniably best-known as a singer. In Google Books, for example, the term "Madonna singer" pulls up 812 results while "Madonna actress" only pulls up 38 hits. "Madonna entertainer" finds 455 results, although it would appear that this is only because much of the material is sourced by this poorly-titled Wikipedia article. Several articles have been renamed replacing their former "(entertainer)" disambiguators, and given her international success for her music, it seems fitting that Madonna be disambiguated with this specific term. The titling of this article is clearly a controversial topic, although I hope that simply modifying the disambiguator will be a better option than the current naming. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 12:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC) WikiRedactor (talk) 18:15, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
TWENTY!!! That's pretty good for a "singer" --В²C ☎ 22:52, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
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Rarely the case in reality? Let's just look at actual examples at WP title reality at WP:RM, marking those where judging concision solely by counting characters works with a green check mark, skipping those involving disambiguation or descriptive titles, and a red X for where this fails.
In each of these we can determine which of the two choices is more concise (or if there is a concision tie) simply by counting the characters. That doesn't mean we should prefer the more concise choice in each case, of course. It just means that the concision criterion favors the shorter one. But, of course, the other criteria have to be considered as well. That point I'm making here is that situations are hardly rare on WP; they are the norm. --В²C ☎ 06:28, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
I propose that this off-topic discussion about conciseness in article titles in general be moved to Wikipedia talk:Article titles. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 01:17, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
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I’d like to propose an alternative that should satisfy all concerned parties, sufficiently disambiguating the title while covering all aspects of the subject:
Madonna (entertainer) → Madonna (Madonna)
If anyone wishes to oppose, I would ask that you first click the link at the beginning of this proposal. —174.141.182.82 (talk) 03:08, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
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I have a source that proves that madonna has sold 400 million albums! 2.222.89.173 (talk) 17:06, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be /tʃɪˈkoʊni/ in English as opposed to /tʃɪˈkoʊneɪ/ in Italian? If I remember well, Madonna pronounces her last name /tʃɪˈkoʊni/. Israell (talk) 12:27, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Accordingly to Wikipedia guidelines described in MOS:BIO, a person's legal name should be listed first, shortly followed by their stage name (which can be a mononym).
I suggest the lead says: "Madonna Louise Ciccone (/tʃɪˈkoʊneɪ/) (born August 16, 1958), known by her mononym Madonna, is an American singer-songwriter, actress, and businesswoman."
It's the guideline followed by several articles including these: Beyoncé, Drake, Rihanna, Ciara, Kesha, Pharrell Williams, Gillette, LeToya Luckett, Brandy Norwood, Monica, Fantasia Barrino, Jenifer, Jacynthe, Mitsou, Alizée & Prince. There is no reason why Madonna's article would follow a different guideline. Israell (talk) 19:14, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
So it is for several of the artists I've mentioned above who go by their first name. It's not a question of redundancy but guideline and style as shown in Britannica: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/355916/Madonna . Israell (talk) 08:46, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
I find it more helpful to include "known by the mononym..." since it explains why we refer to the mononymous person throughout the article by one name that isn't their surname. –Chase (talk / contribs) 23:43, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
In the genre field, rock is mentioned, why? Where exactly does it come from? It has no source. I looked at every album of hers, and rock is never mentioned as a full or main genre at all. Dance-pop is the most common and mentioed genre in Madonnas discography, yet its not added.
Rock should be removed and dance-pop should be added. These albums are all sourcered as dance-pop albums:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna_%28Madonna_album%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Like_a_Virgin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Blue_%28Madonna_album%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotica_%28Madonna_album%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_%28Madonna_album%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_on_a_Dance_Floor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_Candy_%28Madonna_album%29
While reviewing Like a Prayer album from 1989, Billboard magazine described Madonna and her musical career since her debut as dance-pop; "By early 1989, the world had come to know Madonna as a dance-pop provocateur with quirky-sexy style."
— Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.154.101.151 (talk) 10:07, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/8000/best-selling-female-recording-artist Guinness World Records is explain: Madonna has sold more than 300 million albums. But you don't accept. Why? Guinness World Records is a reliable and official source. I writing this on Madonna(entertainer) but you to remove. Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navyiconer (talk • contribs) 15:14, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Not trying to WP:SYNTHESIS, let's analyze Madonna's album sales based on various sources (see Madonna albums discography or their respective album articles):
Total:215 million albums. Some of these sales estimations (such as Music and Confessions) are already inflated enough. Even if we counted all her minor releases' sales (EP, remix, boxsets) are as high as 5 million, her album sales would be roughly 220 million, which are still far away from 300 million. Bluesatellite (talk) 23:25, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Madonna 10 million Like A Virgin 21 million True Blue 25 million Like A Prayer 15 million Erotica 6 million Bedtime Stories 7 million Ray of Light 20 million Music 15 million American Life 5 million Confessions On A Dance Floor 12 million Hard Candy 4 million MDNA 2 million Who's That Girl 5 million I'm Breathless 7 million Evita 11 million You Can Dance 5 million The Immaculate Collection 30 million Something To Remember 10 million GHV2 7 million Celebration 4 million The Confessions Tour +1 million TOTAL= 222 million (only 21 albums studio, live only 1 album, compilation and soundtracks albums) Madonna's albums = 60 albums (studio albums 12, live albums 4, Compilation albums 6, EPs 11, soundtracks 3, remix 3, box sets 21) 21 albums = 222 million 39 albums=78 million TOTAL = 300 million albums sold — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navyiconer (talk • contribs) 11:40, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
and okey Madonna has sold 222 million albums. Madonna has sold 78 million singles? no this is impossible Madonna is the most succesful single artist. Source: meditraffic http://www.mediatraffic.de/top-track-achievements.htm Be logical. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navyiconer (talk • contribs) 11:48, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Navyiconer (talk • contribs) 14:00, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
While it's very unlikely Madonna's album sales stand at 300 million, it is safe to say her total record sales would be over 300 million. She is credited with 115 million single sales by 2008 (So they are probably higher now) and let's say approx. 200 million album sales which brings her overall record sales to more than 300 million — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.197.2 (talk) 18:36, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
Harpers Bazaar magazine made a list of 25 female's who 'changed the face of feminism' and Madonna was included in it. Suggesting that a brief mention of this should be added to her 2013- present section? or the Legacy?
http://www.harpersbazaar.com/culture/features/famous-feminists-throughout-history?src=spr_FBPAGE&spr_id=1447_97840120#slide-17 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.197.2 (talk) 18:40, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
How come "(entertainer)" and not "(musician)"?
This seems very weird and disrespecting. 5.102.234.238 (talk) 09:44, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
Madonna has been named as The World’s Richest Recording Artist by Wealth-X. According the the site Madonna has a net worth of $800 million, $140 ahead of Paul Mcartney who is in second place.
This should be used to update her Net worth statistics & also a mention of her as The World’s Richest Recording Artist according to Wealth-x in the 2013- section?
http://www.wealthx.com/articles/2014/wealth-x-reveals-the-worlds-richest-recording-artists/
http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6334796/madonna-paul-mccartney-worlds-richest-list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.206.43.247 (talk) 19:49, 2 December 2014 (UTC)