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Anote on this talk page abt the copyright status of the 1920s guide referred to would go a long way toward preventing the article being tagged as a copyvio. --Jerzy(t) 18:56, 2005 Jan 7 (UTC)
I'm moving this page to Lohengrin (opera) to start a page on the character of Lohengrin.--Cuchullain 00:30, May 26, 2005 (UTC)
The plot summary actually omits one of the most crucial scenes -- the duet in which Ortrud, Iago-like, tries to encourage Elsa's doubts about her hero. Otherwise, why would Else break her word?
I'd also like to point out that while some legends connect Parsifal with King Arthur, nothing is made of this is the opera, where Parsifal is a king of a mystical realm and apparently has no king over him. So does this really belong with a King Arthur project?
The statement that Lohengrin tarried only to prove Elsa innocent makes no sense. She was declared innocent two acts ago, and they were married! The real reason he tarried was that he thought the people deserved an explanation for why he had to leave (violating his marriage vow to Elsa and his feudal oath to the King). 76.122.75.11 (talk) 20:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
CharlesTheBold 03:30, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
Category:Operas by Richard Wagner is a category within Category:Operas by composer which is in turn a category within Category:Operas. — Robert Greer (talk) 13:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Ortrud is a mezzo, not a soprano. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.243.185 (talk) 02:49, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
Should the article mention that the opera is written in German? I know that's obvious to Wagner experts, but this is an encyclopedia for the masses. 76.173.99.102 (talk) 20:33, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
An anon user added a most interesting fact (?) to the performance history about Verdi attending the Italian premiere. Unfortunately, no reference was provided. Can anyone with access to a reliable source corroborate this? Francesco Malipiero (talk) 23:50, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
I went through the sea of red linked singers in the Performance history section checking for incoming links. I'd recommend keeping the following:
Gabrielle Krauss • Étienne Troy • Anna D'Angeri • Auguste Vianesi • Giuseppe Kaschmann • Caroline Fiérens-Peters • Charles Douaillier • Maurice-Arnold Renaud
They are all linked from Wikipedia:Music encyclopedia topics and/or were role-creators in other operas. I think the rest could be usefully de-linked. Voceditenore (talk) 17:40, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
I'm transferring the following comment by User:Kenw44wiki here to the talk page. It had been placed in the article itself.
"I believe the Keilberth recording features Elenor Steber as Elsa, not Birgit Nilsson"
Voceditenore (talk) 07:06, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
Proposing that Ortrud be merged into this article. Normally we don't have articles on fictional characters that don't have a literature of their own (as, for example, Lohengrin obviously does have). The Ortrud article is exclusively concerned with the opera. Kleinzach 02:55, 12 September 2013 (UTC)
I have reverted the infobox to the previous template, as there should have been a discussion on this page first. As there have been a number of one-off insertions of infoboxes in Wagnerian operas, I am raising the issue at WP:Opera and WP:Wagner.--Smerus (talk) 10:18, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
In the printed score on page 267 at the end of the second act Wagner specifies 10 (visible) on-stage trumpets as follows: 3 trumpets in C on the right (auf dem Thurme rechts), 3 trumpets in C on the left (auf dem Söller links) and 4 trumpets in C in front of the palace (vor dem Palast).
Additionally, in the orchestral interlude of act III scene 3 on page 321 Wagner needs 12 trumpets approaching from different directions (left-right) in the backstage as follows: 2 trumpets in E-flat (Es), 2 trumpets in F, 2 trumpets in D, 2 trumpets in E and 4 trumpets in C.
In both scenes there are 3 trumpets in C in the pit, so a performance of the full score requires 15 trumpet players playing in turn 21 different instruments as follows: 13 trumpets in C, 2 trumpets in D, 2 trumpets in E flat, 2 trumpets in E and 2 trumpets in F.
I would appreciate if one the editors of this page could check the facts and make the appropriate corrections. I am using a 1982 Dover reprint of the 1877 Neue Ausgabe of Breitkopf & Härtel, Leipzig.
regards Jorma Koskinen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jormakos (talk • contribs) 15:35, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
May someone tell me why the opera has been removed from this category? While it is true that the entire opera is not a patriotic one, at least the beginning of act III qualifies as patriotic music. -- Orthographicus (talk) 06:52, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
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Marginal (low end) Start class (30 points). All sections need development including:
-- Kleinzach 02:54, 8 September 2007 (UTC) Just scrapes into Start class. Comments as per Kleinzach, plus:
--GuillaumeTell 21:28, 10 September 2007 (UTC) 33/100 weak Start class. Agree with above comments. Comments in detail follow.
6/15. need to expand on evidence of immediate popular success, mention that is part of Bayreuth canon and indicate how often it is performed there and elsewhere today etc.
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Whatever the translation of Neuschwanstein (I wouldn't translate it at all, we have a link), I don't believe this place is lead material when the lead contains so little about the work itself. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:07, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: not moved (non-admin closure) ~SS49~ {talk} 13:13, 20 July 2019 (UTC)
Lohengrin (opera) → Lohengrin (Wagner) – WP:TITLE (specifically WP:CRITERIA), and WP:DISAMBIGUATION ... Lohengrin (Sciarrino) is really not in the same category as the Faust (opera) vs Faust (Spohr) RM, but since not following the rules here has been cited as reason for not following the rules for the two Faust operas, no alternative but progress the two Lohengrin operas to RM too. In ictu oculi (talk) 09:52, 13 July 2019 (UTC)
I've added the history of the opera's composition. I have moved the existing material into a new section called 'Musical Style' which is in keeping with heading in Millington's Compendium. --Flourbomb (talk) 17:31, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
I've added new material which is an introduction to the musical style, removed the existing material which was flagged as unreferenced, and, for that matter, inaccurate. --Flourbomb (talk) 14:00, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Now that the connoisseurs and specialists have filled the article with inexpressible levels of detail, could I, speaking as a user of the reference, suggest that it is more user-friendly to move the Synopsis from #7, to #2, right after the Contents box. Most people seeking information here will want to start with what the Opera IS, a story about two people etc., and later get into its origins and after that the details of how it was composed, its structure, etc. Thank you. ~dpablo, seattle, wa usa — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:602:9200:B330:8529:5804:81FB:7D20 (talk) 22:29, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
What do others think of this fact and reference: There was however an 1881 French performance given as a Benefit, in the Cercle de la Méditerranée Salon at Nice, organized by Sophie Cruvelli, in which she took the role of Elsa. ref: Elizabeth Forbes, 'Sophie Cruvelli' (short biography) Archived 26 July 2011 at the Wayback Machine, Arts.jrank.org Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:15, 16 August 2022 (UTC)
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