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Where's Brandon Lee on this list? There's a discussion in the last archive but no real reason was given for not adding him. Practically every source that mentions his death notes how strange it was. Even a cursory Google search turns up RSes for it:
Phediuk (talk) 18:38, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
May as well make a separate section for this. My quick search for Brandon Lee sources also turned up a number for Bruce.
Taylor Mitchell was in earlier versions of the article. Her entry was removed, though as far as I can tell, no reason was given for doing so. Almost every story that covered her death mentions how rare it is--it's the only known fatal attack on an adult by a coyote, an incident comparable to Steve Irwin being offed by a stingray.
Will add this if there are no objections. Phediuk (talk) 02:23, 22 August 2016 (UTC)
Technicians sucked by jet engines seem to appear in the news from time to time. Quick search shows at least two such instances before 2015: , . So maybe not that unusual in terms of including one particular incident. Brandmeistertalk 12:41, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Surely this death should be included in the list: Mum dies in tank of molten chocolate after 'tumbling in when leaning over to pick up mobile phone' (http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/mum-dies-in-tank-of-molten-chocolate-after-tumbling-in-when-leaning-over-to-pick-up-mobile-phone/ar-AAly1yR?li=BBoPRmx#image=5): ""She was minced, only her legs were left," said one local source at the Sergiev-Posad confectionery plant in Fedortsovo, Moscow region." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.208.181.44 (talk) 17:58, 14 December 2016 (UTC)
So I guess this, death by clothes, wouldn't get it into the list, as there's already a similar entry (the first one): https://www.google.com/search?q=alicante+death+by+clothes&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:is-IS:IE-Address&ie=&oe= . Basically a married couple and their 12-year-old daughter died in Alicante after hundreds of kilos of clothing fell on top of them while they slept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.208.181.44 (talk) 19:37, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
"1327: Edward II of England, after being deposed and imprisoned by his wife Isabella and her lover Roger Mortimer, was rumoured to have been murdered by having a horn pushed into his anus through which a red-hot iron was inserted, burning out his internal organs without marking his body." The problem is liquid iron is not red, not even oragne, check out the melting pont and what Thermal radiation has to say about it. 83.13.239.255 (talk) 20:14, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
London Beer Flood anyone? 83.13.239.255 (talk) 20:24, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
That, in my opinion, should be included — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.208.181.44 (talk) 14:07, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
There have been literally hundreds of death similar to her death, in indian subcontinent alone[1]. These deaths include but not limited to:
Not just women, even men wearing mufflers and shawls have been strangled in freak accidents, AIIMS forensic experts said. drape deaths, dailymail
Further information: The dupatta (drape in english) has long been a symbol of modesty in South Asian dress.[2] Further information: Dupatta, and Shalwar kameez If one observes the pattern of clothing used in indian subcontinent, both by men and women. One would be able to understand that such accidents are not uncommon in that subcontinent.
usernamekiran (talk) 21:08, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
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@Captainllama, TJRC, Canada Jack, and Martinevans123: i am quoting the wikipedia article itself:
1: Isadora's death is neither unique or unusual, nor under rare circumstances as similar deaths are very common there. 2: definition of unusual: not habitually or commonly occuring or done. Remarkable because different than others.
Isadora's death fits in no criteria. The point here is, we should not be counting the "reliable sources" who say Isadora's death was unusual. It is plain logic, this type of death is common on the planet (hence not unusual), we shouldnt keep it here only because some reliable ignorant source says it is uncommon. There are other reliable sources describing similar deaths. —usernamekiran ( talk ) 20:44, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
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Topic of this RfC: complete removal of "death of Isadora Duncan (1927)".
Lead section of this article states:
This is a list of unusual deaths. This list includes only unique or extremely rare circumstances of death recorded throughout history, noted as being unusual by multiple sources. Note: some of the deaths are mythological or are considered to be unsubstantiated by contemporary researchers. Oxford Dictionaries defines the word "unusual" as "not habitually or commonly occurring or done" and "remarkable or interesting because different from or better than others."
A few days ago, I made this edit. Even though not "noted as being unusual by multiple source", there are way too many similar deaths in Indian subcontinent; making Duncan's death usual. Hence, i think it will be appropriate to remove Duncan's death completely from the article. One can see the citations provided there in the diff, and a few examples are provided below (all WP:RS). 2-3 sources may cause disturbance by graphics :
(Some of the news articles might be repeated somewhere)
Experts at the institute said that in the past 5-6 years, they have witnessed about 30-40 cases where women were accidentally strangled by drapes getting caught in motorcycles, scooters, mixers, table fans, rickshaws and factory equipment. Not just women, even men wearing mufflers and shawls have been strangled in freak accidents, AIIMS forensic experts said.[2]
In the light of these recent events of last 100 years, I think Duncan's death should be removed from this article now. If you think there is lack of sources, you will find some more sources in the section above. If you doubt me, or the sources I provided; then kindly search on internet for them.
On the reasoning/sources provided above, kindly provide your comments if death of Isadora Duncan should remain (KEEP), or should it be removed (DELETE)?
Thank you. —usernamekiran(talk) 04:32, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
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Eventually 5 editors replied: @Joegoodfriend, TJRC, Canada Jack, Martinevans123, and Andy Dingley: (two of whom usernamekiran pinged) with unanimous consensus to keep, for essentially two reasons:
Point #1 was addressed promptly and succinctly by TJRC giving five (count ‘em, 5) good quality reliable tertiary sources. That should have sealed it right there, but usernamekiran said “maybe they didnt do enough research. This accident is extremely common in india/indian subcontinent” which runs straight into point #2.
It matters not that something is commonplace given certain specifics. In the 1950s peanut allergies were almost unheard of, unusual, in fact. Nowadays all too common. A 5-day rainstorm is perfectly ordinary in Malaysia, in the Sahara less so. One might say that it is “unusual”.
Canada Jack and Martinevans123 both made that same point. Martinevans123 referred usernamekiran to the last successful RfC which decided precisely that criterion for inclusion, and invited usernamekiran, if they wished, to to open another RfC to decide if and how this criterion should change. Note please, usernamekiran was being referred to an RfC about a bigger matter than just Isadora Duncan, it was the RfC which settled policy under which her eligiblity and that of others had been settled. Usernamekiran was invited to open an RfC to question that policy, not an RfC about Isadora. However usernamekiran is of course free to open an RfC about Isadora if they wish, and indeed have.
Usernamekiran quoted “the wikipedia article itself: This is a list of unusual deaths. This list includes only unique or extremely …” etc etc, as if it lent weight to their argument (I don’t see that it militates either for or against the issue at hand). It is a descriptive title to tell the reader what to expect from the article, not an editor’s inclusion criteria policy.
For such a policy you must look to the talk pages where it has been, and continues to be, thoroughly masticated. If you look to the top of this page (as I did) you will see the Archive Index. Look back at well-argued questions of what’s meant by “unusual”, discussion of sources, hammering out of criteria for inclusion, a mesmerising sea of Wikipedia creation at its best. You will find, as did I, that the five sources from TJRC alone make Isadora’s death eminently eligible. Read on to discover why that is, why context is deemed relevant. The concerns raised by usernamekiran have been answered maybe a dozen times.
Usernamekiran finished last time saying “ nevermind. Maybe i am confused about the criteria. I will take a leave from editing the article”. Well that’s great. Humble acceptance of the unanimous opinion of 6 editors that more study of the background is required. Or so I thought.
So what’s this now? An RfC on Isadora Duncan’s inclusion? Ignoring the RfC referenced previously? Simply repeating the points that were dealt with last time? And ignoring how they were discussed and answered? Why? Are you trying to win? Please bear in mind that that Wikipedia is collaborative not competitive when I say “up your game”. Your enthusiasm is needed but this is wasting it.
Of course *Keep, it was settled long ago if you care to look, and this RfC was answered previously in talk and raises nothing new Captainllama (talk) 02:01, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Comment: here is a "reliable source" stating Duncan's death is common: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23986150 —usernamekiran(talk) 15:55, 19 May 2017 (UTC)
Don't think it qualifies yet, but it may eventually do once enough sources are found. "Freak mishap" 181.115.9.167 (talk) 20:16, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
Should Dyatlov Pass incident be added to the list? Seems as unusual as the death of Elisa Lam, which is in the list. Danilcha (talk) 22:21, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
You probabily want to add this one. It's very strange. Sadly this woman was crushed when she was lying in a portable bed when she was just finished doing labor and was being relocated from one floor to another.
Here (spanish) --> http://www.abc.es/sociedad/abci-muere-mujer-seccionada-ascensor-hospital-sevillano-valme-201708201717_noticia.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaumeAl (talk • contribs) 12:50, 14 September 2017 (UTC)
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The article 'World Sauna Championships' includes details of an incident in 2010 where a Russian contestant died. That article already refers to here in the 'See also' section, but this page doesn't include the case. Maybe somebody more able and willing can decide if that case is relevant here? 80.146.191.155 (talk) 15:46, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
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@EEng: You have missed the headline when translating "Стример World of Tanks нелепо погиб дома после игры" ("Streamer of World of Tanks died bizarrely at home while playing", the keyword being "bizarrely"). Unless there are no further reservations, I'm restoring this case. Brandmeistertalk 19:49, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
As usual, short-sighted users have been adding every freak accident story reported by the news media to this aricle. Tabloid sources desperate for material are not reliable sources for what constitutes an unusual death. Check the archives for the consensus that was hashed out some years ago. Abductive (reasoning) 20:26, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
It's been added and removed twice now, and the source associated with it said nothing about it being unusual. In digging for other sources, I've been poking through the sources from the corresponding Wikipedia page. I have an article from CBS with a quote of "I can't believe this is real" and one from CBC with "this is, like, a one-in-a-million-shot deal that this would actually happen." If those sources were added in, how would everyone feel about including the deaths? Neither says "unusual" specifically, but that certainly seems to be the feel of the quotes. NekoKatsun (talk) 16:05, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
This is neither an article on very unusual deaths nor somewhat unusual deaths. I don't understand what makes you, David, an expert on the commonality of unusual deaths. Martin is right that, as long as the source indicates that the nature of the death was unusual, then it should be included in this article. Death itself isn't unusual; we're all going to be dead, like it or not. The circumstance(s) leading to death is what is being considered as unusual. NekoKatsun is right that the kids' deaths by the Python was very unusual.--MarshalN20 ✉🕊 22:33, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Sometimes I think this page should revert to its original form: List of people who died with turtles on their heads. That would certainly make for less arguing! - DavidWBrooks (talk) 19:55, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
There is no confirmation that this was a meteorite.[1]
A small meteorite would quickly reach terminal velocity and not create an explosion as was claimed case in this instance.[2]
47.151.244.159 (talk) 09:11, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
There's no mention in the article of whether Empedocles died or not. Does someone have a source verifying either case? Anrza (talk) 07:03, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
Does anybody actually consider Elaine Herzberg's death unusual? For the most part, it's just a high profile pedestrian death due to a car accident. Automobile accidents are some of the most common causes of death in our society.
I suppose it could be argued that it's unusual because it's the first self-driving car incident, but do we really wish to count 'first deaths' as unusual? I don't see e.g. the first automobile death, first airplane death, first death due to removal from life support, etc. Shouldn't we include those if Herzberg is left in on the basis of it being a 'first death'? Does this even count as a first death, since there have been so many deaths due to automobiles and self-driving cars are just a special type of automobile?
It could also be argued that it's unusual due to the fact it was high-profile or a large institution changed it's policy in response but... is that really enough to include it in this list? I don't see e.g. Matthew Shepard's death here. His death gained international attention, incited a decade of LGBT activism culminating in the passing of the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act a decade later, and inspired numerous artistic works (plays, music, etc). I think Shepard's is just one of many that should be included in the list if this Herzberg is left in simply due to how high profile the death was or the fact that a large corp/govt changed their policies.
64.228.83.21 (talk) 10:58, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Hi Martin, I'm not sure what the appropriate method of communication is on Wikipedia as I am relatively new around here. I was just curious as to the reason why Steve Irwin was removed from the list after I added him? Surely it is an unusual death in the bigger picture? Pgwolvsa (talk) 08:48, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
I saw in the archives that the strangeness of his death is in dispute... I would argue that, even though to Steve Irwin it is not the most unexpected death, in the bigger picture of humanity and ways to die it is certainly unusual. Or do many people die from stingray attacks?Pgwolvsa (talk) 08:51, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
As of April 2018 there are at least two documented cases of people having been killed by an exploding petanque boule. Information about these cases, and the cause of the phenomenon, are discussed on my blog "All about Petanque" in the posts in this category: https://petanque.wordpress.com/category/equipment/exploding-boules/ StephenFerg (talk) 03:42, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
Heated Petanque ball explodes, killing firefighter. September 3, 2017.
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Someone with more time and know-how on how to edit Wikipedia could perhaps add it, if it's acceptable: "First picture of mum killed after being 'sucked out of Southwest plane' during mid-air engine explosion" - https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/first-picture-of-mum-killed-after-being-sucked-out-of-southwest-plane-during-mid-air-engine-explosion/ar-AAvZI9A?li=BBoPWjQ
It's stated in the article: "Jennifer Riordan, a banking executive with Wells Fargo, suffered fatal injuries as a result of the bizarre incident on Southwest flight 1380." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:C88:4000:D007:31AD:8209:FC11:1364 (talk) 10:36, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
Even articles on this incident mention previous incident in India , and there have been others worldwide. Abductive (reasoning) 17:05, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
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