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The list of 14 references at the end of the third paragraph is more an attempt to establish notability of the subject than to verify statements in the article. WP:CITEKILL comes into play here, especially the invocation of "The lady doth protest too much". Also note this article was briefly nominated for deletion, supported by another editor, before it was loaded up with citations and the deletion template removed. – JBarta (talk) 21:18, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
In 2014, police shooting unarmed civilians, especially those of color, is a critical issue. In most instances, authorities have not charged any of the police officers. Questions linger. In a number of cases, the unarmed victim has had a non-lethal weapon, e.g., a toy, a souvenir, etc. How people perceive events has as much impact as the actual facts in a case. Retain this and similar pages. A body of work is developing. RaqiwasSushi (talk) 21:21, 16 December 2014 (UTC) Comment should have been entered on deletion discussion page per JBarta's comment below. RaqiwasSushi (talk) 12:34, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it does seem that some sources have referred to it as a "toy"... though it's arguably not. It's an airsoft rifle . Doesn't look like a toy, nor does it have an orange tip. According to our article on Toy weapons, "In the United States since 1992, toy guns are required to have an orange plug or be entirely brightly colored to signify them as toys." And before someone says "we only report what the sources say", that's only half the requirement. It would be a good idea to determine if in fact a preponderance of reliable sources refer to it as a toy, or as simply an airsoft/BB/pellet gun. WP:VERIFY is more than just plugging refs. It's also about due weight, editorial judgement and consensus. – JBarta (talk) 02:53, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
The rifle was not in the "toy" section either, walmart in general, and that walmart specifically, keeps the air rifles about 10ft. from the real guns. The statement about the gun being in the toy section needs to be removed and replaced with "sporting goods" 98.28.193.244 (talk) 22:24, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
Looks like we lost the photo - does anyone know enough about wikipedia commons to know how to go about getting it back? Artw (talk) 17:27, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
The following are newer articles which discuss the events of the shooting and the following interviews/investigations. Most are secondary sources, and some have conflict others. These may be worth review by people more experienced than myself, to be assimilated into this article.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/26/walmart-ohio-shooting-charges-911-calller-john-crawford
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/cops-shoot-and-kill-man-holding-toy-gun-walmart
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/source-walmart-gunman-was-carrying-toy-rifle/
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/feds-probe-fatal-police-shooting-black-man-ohio-wal-mart-n210646 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.71.222.232 (talk) 19:30, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
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The words "According to Crawford's mother, ..." precede "the video shows the officers fired immediately without giving any verbal commands and without giving Crawford any time to drop the toy even if he had heard them". It may or may not be the case that Crawford's mother says that the video shows that. But whether she says that or not, the video shows it. You can find it on YouTube to cite the unbiased sentence "The video shows the officers fired immediately without giving any verbal commands and without giving Crawford any time to drop the toy even if he had heard them". Wikipedia can I think state that the video shows what the video shows without this qualifying nonsense of "someone says that the video shows that". The video shows that the officers ran into the store and opened fire on the victim as soon as they saw him. That's what it shows. It's not matter of being someone's opinion that that's what it shows. I can say "The New York Times article stated xyz" without having to type, instead, "I have a letter from my brother Jack that says his friend Steve sent him a letter asserting that text stating xyz which he found on an envelope was attested by Susan to be an accurate transcription of the New York Times article". If what I need is the article, I should just cite the article. Not?2604:2000:C682:B600:A807:61E2:2FF5:9A88 (talk) 07:59, 23 May 2016 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson
I have some familiarity with a case that is remote from but has one parallel to this case. In that case, a 2nd party person did not responsibly relay information from a 1st party to a 3rd party, with the result being that a 4th party became the victim of a crime. Every quantum of information relayed by the 2nd party was an accurate retelling of the 1st party's account, but the 2nd party omitted 1 quantum of information from the 1st party's account, and omitted significant information about who the 1st party was. Had that information been properly and responsibly relayed, the 3rd party would have considered the information lacking in credibility, and would not have proceeded against the 4th party. Therefore, the 2nd party was added to the list of civil and criminal defendants. So as I read this article I'm looking for the ways in which Ritchie was held to account, either civilly or criminally, for his malevolent actions, and I find that missing. If he was not prosecuted or sued, the article should have the sentence "Ritchie was not prosecuted criminally or sued civilly" and something about the procedure by which each occurred should be stated, i.e. it was the Prosecutor's decision, or the grand jury, or the civil lawyer of the estate/survivors, or a state law relating to 911 callers, whatever. 2604:2000:C682:B600:A807:61E2:2FF5:9A88 (talk) 08:10, 23 May 2016 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson
"The Justice Department is conducting its own investigation.[23][24][25] The officer who shot Crawford was removed from normal duties until the DoJ investigation was complete.[26]" The article suggests that the the DoJ investigation was completed, but none of these citations are more recent than 2014. The article should be updated to confirm or deny or at least be consistent as to whether the DoJ investigation was completed, and, if so, describe the outcome of that investigation. 72.33.2.100 (talk) 19:22, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. —Community Tech bot (talk) 00:39, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved (non-admin closure) >>> Extorc.talk 04:06, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Shooting of John Crawford III → Killing of John Crawford III – Per WP:DEATHS: 'Shooting of' should be used when the person in question did not die. Replacing it with 'Killing of' more accurately represents the notable part of this event. Reliable sources frequently use the same terminology. Moikvin (talk) 23:15, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
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