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On 25 July 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved to James McNeill Whistler. The result of the discussion was Moved. |
Things that should definitely be added to the article:
Sam Hocevar 03:03, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Absolutely!
"After the Ruskin trial, everything he mentioned or wrote about his work, and especially everything he told his biographers was done in a way in which he could dissociate himself from the English school of painting. His main purpose was to lose any relations he had with the couple of enemies he had made among the Royal Academicians, and the artists who he had been close to during the 1860's. Despite his attempts to give the notion that he did not belong to any school, he is without a doubt one of the few Victorian painters who is known for revitalizing the 'grand manner' of British painting. [James McNeil Whistler, 23]"
The quotation doesn't seem to bear on any particular source, and it makes unverified and unsupported statements about Whistler's activities after the trial - some that I think definitely incorrect, having read contemporary articles in the New York Times wishing that Whistler would visit the country as he and his work did so infrequently.
Also: I'd like to link these articles (about Whistler's publication of The Gentle Art of Making Enemies, and another individual attack on a critic) to show more of his biting wit, and further add to the biographical detail which is really quite sparse.
I'd also like to resolve some of the bizarre page sections. It makes no sense to me why the moderate success of Whistler's Mother is recorded as the first section of his Controversies.
I'd like to discover some sources about what it was of the White Girl that caused controversy. Cartoons show it as being a notable inclusion in the Salon des Refuses, and I know it was liked by some. I don't know that it received any note-worthy, negative review. And I'll place the painting in its correct place on the page.
Finally, I'd think it best to note the uncertainty of the identification of Jo as the lady in Courbet's L'Origine du monde. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ocarrollcian (talk • contribs) 01:58, 23 May 2008 (UTC) Ocarrollcian 02:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
"An initiator in his own generation, and ever tastefully experimental, Whistler no doubt has found enjoyment in the variety of the mediums he has worked in, and in the variety of subjects he has brilliantly tackled. The absence of concentration in the Whistlerian temperament, the lack of great continuity of effort, may probably prove a drawback to his taking exactly the place as a painter of oil pictures, which, in other circumstances, his genius and his taste would most certainly have secured for him. In the future Whistler must be accounted, in oil painting, a master exquisite but rare. But the number and the range of his etched subjects and the extraordinary variety of perception and of skill which he has brought to bear upon the execution of his nearly three hundred coppers, ensure, and have indeed already compassed, the acceptance of him as a master among masters in that art of etching. Rembrandt's, Van Dyck's, Meryon's, Claude's, are, in fact, the only names which there is full warranty for pronouncing beside his own."
I cut the above because it seems more like a review or an exhibition pamphlet paragraph, than encylopedia material. --sparkit (talk) 03:44, May 9, 2005 (UTC)
On 16th September 2005, a bronze life-sized statue of whistler was unveiled on the north side of Battersea Bridge, London. There was no prior announcement of this event, so it is not known if any dignitory was present.
I have also cut the following paragraph as unduly subjective. This, and the snippit above, appear to have been taken verbatim from the 1911 Britannica. --Worldofdew 13:05, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
"Of these, the main characteristics are precision and vivacity; freedom, flexibility, infinite technical resource, at the service always of the most alert and comprehensive observation; an eye that no picturesqueness of light and shade, no interesting grouping of line, can ever escape — an eye, that is emancipated from conventionality, and sees these things therefore with equal willingness in a cathedral and a mass of scaffolding, in a Chelsea shop and in a suave nude figure, in the facade of a Flemish palace and in a "great wheel" at West Kensington"..." Some of the lithographs are of figures slightly draped; two or three of the very finest are of Thames subjects — including a "nocturne" at Limehouse, of unimaginable and poetic mystery; others are bright and dainty indications of quaint prettiness in the old Faubourg St Germain, and of the sober lines of certain Georgian churches in Soho and Bloomsbury."
What does this mean?
Surely this could be reworded into something clearer. WhiteCat 07:46, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
I've reverted the following passage about the marvelous Valparaiso painting. It had no obvious relationship to the heading 'Controversies', and its prominence and subsequent need for mention were not explained. Maybe when the bio is expanded to include further mention of Whistler's travels to S. America...JNW (talk) 22:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
Recently the file File:James Abbott McNeill Whistler by Walter Greaves.jpg (right) was uploaded and it appears to be relevant to this article and not currently used by it. If you're interested and think it would be a useful addition, please feel free to include it. Dcoetzee 00:12, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
The article, matching the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica, gives a date of birth of 10th July 1834. The New York Times here, http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/20080714.html , says 14th July.
Which is right? ChapterandVerse (talk) 19:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
TIME and the World Almanac also cite July 10 as his dob. However, letters from Whistler's mother (http://www.whistler.arts.gla.ac.uk/correspondence/date/display/?cid=6511&year=1861&month=07&rs=1) confirm that July 11 is his dob. Kapooz (talk) 23:16, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Our article currently cites five tertiary sources for the July 10 birthdate; the July 11 birthdate is supported by two tertiary sources and two primary sources. I visited the library to see if secondary sources could be of help here. I particularly wanted to know if any of Whistler's biographers have explained why there has been such confusion about the artist's birthdate. I discovered only one that addressed this (more on that later). Otherwise, every book simply stated one or the other of the dates. Here are the findings.
For July 10, 1834:
For July 11, 1834:
and finally
This last was the one that addressed the confusion. A footnote after "July 11" reads: "A letter written by Whistler's father to his brother-in-law, General Joseph Gardner Whistler, two days after the birth of the child places this beyond doubt, although, strangely enough, Mrs. Whistler in a diary which she kept at St. Petersburg, records celebrating 'Jamie's' birthday on July 10th, and this date is the one usually given."
It will be noted that the more recent books favor July 11. All of this, plus the evidence of Anna Matilda Whistler's letters in the database of University of Glasgow makes me think we should relegate July 10 to a footnote. Ewulp (talk) 04:24, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
A very high-resolution work of James Whistler (La Princesse du pays de la porcelaine) from the Google Art Project (left). Feel free to use if useful. Dcoetzee 10:11, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm from Russia and not well know English language. Please excuse me. I would like to somebody, who has good knowledge of the English language, add in section "Russia and England" information, that the name of the artist, who gave drawing lessons to James Abbott Whistler was Alexander Koritsky. That is my article in Russian WIKI about this artist: Alexander O. Koritsky Here is the link to the magazine article in English about their friendship: Galina Andreeva "Whistler and Russia" /Magazine "THE TRETYAKOV GALLERY" special issue 2011. I am a descendant of the brother of Alexander Koritsky.--User:Anford (talk) 07:38, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Whistler Selbstporträt.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on July 17, 2012. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2012-07-17. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page so Wikipedia doesn't look bad. :) Thanks! —howcheng {chat} 17:14, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Apparently already done (non-admin closure) Red Slash 04:27, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
James Abbott McNeill Whistler → James McNeill Whistler – references on the page do not use Abbott – GregKaye 22:07, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
LibraryGurl The references in the article that I saw refer to "James McNeill Whistler"
For sources in books see:
For scholar see results:
For encyclopaedias see Britannica:
Other uses vary:
GregKaye 05:01, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
One English grandmother, was it so rare in the USA at that time?Xx236 (talk) 05:50, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Today I visited the Hunterian Museum at the University of Glasgow. Here they have a large gallery with a large number of his works, none of which are mentioned in this article. They also have some of his furniture and painting equipment. The Hunterian claim that this is the preeminent Whistler collection in the world. Perhaps this should be investigated. ````Don Messenger Oct 10,2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.136.63.208 (talk) 18:48, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
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This article describes the skin as a bear skin, but the Good Article on the painting itself from the start calls it a wolf skin and the head a wolf's. I would correct it but would like to gauge the view of others who may have a keener eye for animals and furs than I have as to whether it should be changed from 'bear' to 'wolf'.Cloptonson (talk) 08:43, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
Ran across this:
— SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 09:26, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) SilverLocust 💬 14:10, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
James Abbott McNeill Whistler → James McNeill Whistler – WP:COMMONNAME see for example the articles in Britannica, The Met, The National Gallery of Art, and the catalogue raisonee at the University of Glasgow. I am discounting The Tate because their article is a copy of ours and so cannot be used as a source for anything. DuncanHill (talk) 09:45, 25 July 2023 (UTC)
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