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ISIL had essentialy moved its headquarters to Deir ez-Zor, sos its headquarters arent really in Ar-Raqqah anymore. 100.17.19.172 (talk) 05:10, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
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Change title to Islamic State - as discussed in the talk page, this is the most common non-acronym name and should thus be used under WP:COMMONNAME MillyMillMiller (talk) 01:51, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
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Could somebody add a space between the sentence and reference in "people,[62][63]where" within first sentence in the fourth paragraph?
173.73.231.193 (talk) 16:12, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
ISIS isn't neo nazi. Killing loads of people and being totaliterian doesn't make you a nazi. ISIS is an islamic fundamentalist group, not a racialist nazi group. This isn't at all correct. Lilahdog568 (talk) 17:55, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
I have tried several times now to rpesent links showing the “ISIS Is Fascist” allegation, but Wikipedia is refusing to allow those to be presented either. The best I “can” do is “maybe” suggest that googling “john-kerry-equates-isis-leaders-fascist-enemies-world” will get you the information in question (I did try). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.65.85.167 (talk) 00:43, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
When searching "Islamic State" on Google, it seems in the news section for the most recently published stories mentioning "Islamic State" that it is the most commonly used non-abbreviated form of the organization. Gamingforfun365 (talk) 04:28, 29 December 2016 (UTC)
Normally news organisations will qualify it as 'so called Islamic state' so as to avoid suggesting it has any legitmancy (which it doesn't) I don't think Wikipedia should wade into this wording battle. Just stick to whatever the US state department calls it (currently ISIL) Aguyintobooks (talk) 19:56, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
We've been through this discussion many times. See archives. Search counts for "Islamic State" capture ISIL, "so called" "terrorist group calling itself" and many unrelated topics. The group battling ISIL calls them ISIL or Daesh. Leave it alone. Legacypac (talk) 06:20, 26 April 2017 (UTC)
I`m talking about this particular https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant&type=revision&diff=788110716&oldid=788063593 entry, that claims ISIL to no longer be active as of 29.June 2017. This seems a bit premature to me. Just because Iraqi security forces take the place ISIL declared it`s caliphate and Iraq declares to Caliphate to have ended, doesn`t mean the group no longer exists/is active. --1234567891011a (talk) 17:15, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
This is not an official name, and should not be considered as one simply because the POTUS uses it once. 131.111.185.69 (talk) 07:22, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Some terrorist breaks with ISIL and declares he's the new caliph. An Unreliable source reports this and an editor declares Bagdadi replaced. . This is not the first time this editor has inserted wildly inappropriate "info" in ISIL pages recently. WP:CIR and any more of this an ISIL topic ban is in order. Legacypac (talk) 01:57, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Data re news search for terms "Mosul" and "Abadi" from 9th Jul 2017 - today (~ 15:00 CET 12th July) |
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https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mosul+abadi&num=100&lr=lang_en&client=ubuntu&channel=fs&biw=1908&bih=928&source=lnt&tbs=lr%3Alang_1en%2Ccdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A7%2F9%2F2017%2Ccd_max%3A&tbm=nws Google news search (English language) for "mosul" "abadi" from 9th Jul 2017 - today (~ 15:00 CET 12th July) Ignoring multiple pages from the same domain, and domains with 7-digit Alexa rank) Subtotals (of 5): Islamic State 3, ISIS 1, (Islamic State & ISIS 1) Subtotals (of 15): Islamic State 8, ISIL 1, ISIS 1, Daesh 1, Daesh/ISIL 1, (Islamic State & ISIS 3) Subtotals (of 16): Islamic State 10, ISIS 5, Daesh 1 Subtotals (of 17): Islamic State 13, ISIS 2, (Islamic State & ISIS 2) Totals (of 53): Islamic State 34, ISIS 9, Daesh 2, Daesh & ISIL 1, ISIL 1, (Islamic State & ISIS 6) Percentage using purely "Islamic State": 64% (34 of 53) ISIS/Daesh/ISIL combined: 25% (13 of 53) (percentage using both 6/53 = 11%) (percentage using ISIL alone or in combo 2/53 = 4%) Alexa rank Global Name (abbreviation) url ------ ---- --- 96 so-called Islamic State (IS) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40558836 153 Islamic State (IS) terrorist group http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-07/09/c_136430217.htm 491 Islamic State https://in.reuters.com/article/mideast-crisis-iraq-mosul-idINKBN19W0O4 602 Islamic State (ISIS) http://www.npr.org/2017/07/10/536392956/iraqs-prime-minister-celebrates-win-over-isis-in-mosul 865 ISIS http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iraq-pm-abadi-arrives-mosul-declare-victory-over-isis-n781066 -- Subtotals (of 5): Islamic State 3, ISIS 1, (Islamic State & ISIS 1) 1,027 Islamic State group (IS) http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/iraqi-prime-minister-haider-alabadi-arrives-in-liberated-mosul/news-story/f3c0f69ea61229d1a78e3b6dbc67cd00 1,077 ISIS http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/09/iraq_celebrates_victory_over_isis_in_mosul.html 1,031 Islamic State http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/latest-state-tv-iraqi-prime-minister-arrives-mosul-48530611 1,258 Islamic State (IS) http://www.thehindu.com/news/g20-summit-mosul-liberation-burhan-wani-and-more-top-stories-for-today/article19245427.ece 1,997 Islamic State of the Iraq and Levant (ISIL) http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/07/mosul-170710160305183.html 2,116 Islamic State (IS) https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/world/Iraq-PM-in-Mosul-to-celebrate-IS-defeat-556980 3,734 Daesh https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/07/10/iraqi-prime-minister-haider-al-abadi-declares-total-victory-over-daesh-in-mosul.html 5,979 Islamic State (ISIS) http://www.nrttv.com/en/Details.aspx?Jimare=15512 6,638 Daesh (ISIL) http://english.almanar.com.lb/301123 1,118 Islamic State (ISIS) http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Mosul-Liberated-as-Islamic-State-Faces-Total-11275706.php 1,181 Islamic State http://www.marketwatch.com/story/iraqis-celebrate-impending-liberation-of-mosul-from-islamic-state-2017-07-09 1,928 Islamic State (IS) http://www.smh.com.au/comment/islamic-state-is-now-just-another-terrorist-group-competing-for-recruits-20170712-gx9n0z.html 6,140 Islamic State https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/mosul-iraq-prime-minister-haider-al-abadi-hails-victory-over-islamicstate-2jwx0qq86 4,821 Islamic State https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/07/10/iraqs-abadi-declare-mosul-victory 6,629 Islamic State (ISIS) http://theweek.com/5things/711053/iraqi-prime-minister-declares-total-victory-mosul -- Subtotals (of 15): Islamic State 8, ISIL 1, ISIS 1, Daesh 1, Daesh/ISIL 1, (Islamic State & ISIS 3) 17,388 ISIS http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/100720174 10,638 Islamic State http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-iraq-victory-in-mosul-20170710-htmlstory.html 15,342 Daesh http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/07/10/528062/headlines 29,058 ISIS https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll/trump-praises-iraqi-american-soldiers-post-isis-defeat-in-mosul/1097010/?next 33,669 Islamic State (IS) http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/en/originals/2017/07/mosul-iraq-abadi-isis.html 36,192 ISIS https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10654/mosul-iraq-challenges 36,912 Islamic State https://news.trust.org/item/20170710111929-aayw0 (Reuters) 31,409 Islamic State (IS) http://www.courant.com/nation-world/ct-iraqi-troops-mosul-militants-20170709-story.html 50,837 Islamic State https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/150079-170710-iraq-s-pm-officially-declares-victory-over-islamic-state-in-mosul 62,647 Islamic State (IS) http://news.kuwaittimes.net/website/amir-congratulates-iraq-mosuls-liberation/ 66,474 ISIS http://www.localsyr.com/news/world-news/inside-the-last-battle-for-mosul/762256962 71,386 mythical terrorist (ISIS) https://www.dailypioneer.com/world/iraq-pm-declares-victory-over-isis-in-mosul.html 14,201 Islamic State (IS) http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/ct-iraqi-troops-mosul-militants-20170709-story.html 16,279 Islamic State (IS) http://guardian.ng/news/iraqi-prime-minister-hails-victory-over-brutality-and-terrorism-in-mosul/ 47,551 Islamic State http://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/eu-hails-the-liberation-of-mosul-from-islamic-state/ 71,946 Islamic State http://www.centralmaine.com/2017/07/09/iraq-prime-minister-declares-victory-in-mosul/ -- Subtotals (of 16): Islamic State 10, ISIS 5, Daesh 1 153,249 ISIS militants https://www.newsbytesapp.com/timeline/world/8719/49506/battle-for-mosul-2 349,296 Islamic State (IS) http://www.caledonianrecord.com/news/world/iraqi-declares-total-victory-over-islamic-state-in-mosul/article_d320da20-5279-5683-b9ed-5664e9ef5e87.html 459,618 Islamic State http://ravallirepublic.com/news/world/article_2c30550a-4f55-58ec-a082-86474a8dc712.html 107,528 Islamic State http://www.waow.com/story/35842594/2017/07/Sunday/state-tv-iraqi-prime-minister-arrives-in-mosul-to-declare-victory 109,425 Islamic State (IS) https://www.ecns.cn/2017/07-10/264725.shtml 217,891 Islamic State (IS) http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/2017-07-11/battle-for-mosul-iraqi-pm-declares-victory-over-is-militants-as-us-warns-of-continued-threat/1685046 491,270 Islamic State (IS) https://www.cachevalleydaily.com/news/world/article_841e7376-dde0-59b8-b0fe-85634e59559c.html 109,571 Islamic State (IS) http://www.theday.com/article/20170709/NWS13/170709377 114,543 Islamic State (ISIS, IS) http://fox11online.com/news/nation-world/iraqi-troops-push-to-clear-last-mosul-ground-of-isis-militants 792,945 Islamic State (IS) http://www.stowetoday.com/news_and_citizen/news/world_news/al-abadi-tours-part-of-mosul-on-foot-under-heavy/html_cfb129fe-86e9-5bdd-a4a8-be9de2af48c0.html (hover to see) 255,018 Islamic State group (IS) http://www.morningjournal.com/article/MJ/20170710/NEWS/170719993 256,330 Islamic State http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48505:iraqi-prime-minister-congratulates-armed-forces-for-mosul-victory&catid=115:middle-east 148,534 ISIS http://www.good4utah.com/news/world-news/inside-the-last-battle-for-mosul/762257192 860,399 Islamic State group http://www.redbluffdailynews.com/article/ND/20170710/NEWS/170719993 133,265 Islamic State (ISIS) http://wsbt.com/news/nation-world/iraqi-troops-push-to-clear-last-mosul-ground-of-isis-militants 932,326 Islamic State (IS) http://www.dudleynews.co.uk/news/15404921.National_news__Air_strikes_target_remaining_Islamic_State_militants_in_Mosul/ 312,227 Islamic State (IS) http://www.news-sentinel.com/news/us-and-world/the-latest-iraqi-pm-celebrates-in-mosul-but-battle-ongoing_20170709&profile=1029 -- Subtotals (of 17): Islamic State 13, ISIS 2, (Islamic State & ISIS 2) Ignored (Alexa 1M+) http://www.bromsgroveadvertiser.co.uk/news/15404921.National_news__Air_strikes_target_remaining_Islamic_State_militants_in_Mosul/ https://www.ruidosonews.com/story/news/world/2017/07/09/iraqi-pm-arrives-in-mosul/462658001/ http://redriverradio.org/post/mosul-has-been-liberated-isis-control-iraqs-prime-minister-says http://www.jewishvoiceny.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18533:iraqi-pm-declares-victory-over-oppression-brutality-terrorism-as-mosul-is-liberated-from-is&catid=106&Itemid=772 Ignored (duplicate dom) http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/07/11/528164/Lebanon-Hezbollah-Nasrallah-Mosul-liberation-Daesh-terrorists-Middle-East http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/07/11/leader-al-baghdadi-reported-dead-after-loss-mosul http://abcnews.go.com/International/iraqi-prime-minister-al-abadi-declares-victory-isis/story?id=48532013 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-mosul-idUSKBN19V105 http://www.nrttv.com/en/Details.aspx?Jimare=15546 http://fox11online.com/news/nation-world/state-tv-iraqi-prime-minister-arrives-in-mosul https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-iraq-mosul-idUKKBN19W0NR http://ravallirepublic.com/news/world/article_f580233b-7ec7-5a8b-a70f-a213ed31dbbc.html http://www.nrttv.com/en/Details.aspx?Jimare=15494 |
I have converted that RfC to a RM because most people do not want to have to take part in two discussions and if there is a different outcome between the RfC and the RM there will be discord and conflict. So use the RM above to decide the issue -- PBS (talk) 12:10, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
To help the above discussion, and to prepare for a concrete Move Request, let us consider which qualifier will be most acceptable. Applicable policy is at WP:TITLE#Disambiguation. My initial thoughts are:
My own inclination would be for "group", though I'm not that bothered... Batternut (talk) 15:00, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
I have just noticed that the Arabic wiki article for these guys is "تنظيم الدولة الإسلامية (داعش)", which translates to "Islamic Country Group (Daesh)". Though entertainingly derogatory, the name "Daesh" carries a definite POV with it, which is why I do not suggest Islamic State (Daesh). Batternut (talk) 12:24, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
search term | book results | news results (archives) | news results (past year) | scholar results |
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"Baghdadi" "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria" | about 1,390 | about 11.5k | 3,190 | 869 |
"Baghdadi" "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" | about 1,320 | about 4,080 | 439 | 741 |
"Baghdadi" "Islamic State" -"Islamic State of Iraq and Syria" -"Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" -"so called Islamic State" | about 6,420 | about 99k | about 41k | about 3,200 |
The result of the move request was: Technical Close. I have closed this RM as requested by the initiator of the RfC Batternut and because no other editor has raised an objection to me doing so since I stated I that would yesterday. Batternut has agreed not to use the RfC process to discuss the title of this article. As this is a technical close of an RM, and there has not been another RM in the last six months, there no prohibitions on an editor requesting an RM. PBS (talk) 15:27, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant → Islamic State (''to-be-decided'' qualifier) – See below this is relist of an RfC that I am closing because an RfC is the wrong process to request page moves. -- PBS (talk) 11:28, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
Without a specific article title to discuss moving to, this Requested Move is incomplete. As OP of the RfC my intention was for discussion. I do not propose moving the article at this point. (PBS made this a Requested Move for his/her own reasons.) Batternut (talk) 12:39, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
This article should be renamed "Islamic State (to-be-decided qualifier)".
The time has come to accept "Islamic State" as the name of this organization. We should follow WP:COMMONNAME - common usage is now "Islamic State" typically with some qualifer such as "so-called", "self-declared", "group", "terrorist group" etc. Such usage is now between 4 and 10 times "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant", so the current title is very and increasingly outdated. This has been researched bountifully before, archived here (July 2015), again here (Jan 2015) and more recently here (Mar 2017), and see table "Google result counts" below.
Key objections from the past discussions (see "previously nominated to be moved" above) have included:
Batternut (talk) 11:57, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Note that this is an RFC, not a move request - the qualifier is still to-be-decided (TBD). If the concensus is to rename, then a subsequent discussion can choose the qualifier.
Batternut (talk) 11:57, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
PS In this debate, while welcoming reasoned arguments, can we please avoid wp:Wall of text postings?
'right' in a moral or political sense". That guideline could not be more clear, and this is an utterly paradigmatic example of attempting to do just that, for exactly that reason. We have many articles on this project which adopt (as a principle of building an encyclopedia) the common name of a topic which may seem peculiar or even offensive to rational persons. But there are good reasons, in terms of encyclopedia building, to stick to them, even in those idiosyncratic occasions where it makes us blanch at the thought of going with the common name. Snow let's rap 23:25, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
The last moratorium was in September 2015, it expired last year. Batternut (talk) 22:49, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
What has changed (since the last naming discussion) except the amount of land they control? WP:Recentism, a factor in the last full discussion, no longer applies to the new name. Batternut (talk) 23:11, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Some Government usage stats (re the "I'm siding with all the Governments in the world" argument). Here are the results of some searches I hadn't tried before, showing relative usage of ISIL vs IS by inner circle nations of English speakers. It appears that "Islamic State" is pretty popular in the larger English-speaking governments of the world, even where official policy dictates otherwise:
search term | .gov + .mil | .gov.uk + .parliament.uk | .gc.ca[lower-alpha 1] | .gov.au | .gov.ie | .govt.nz | tot |
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"Baghdadi" "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" | 39 | 16 | 0 | 27 | 0 | 2 | 84 |
"Baghdadi" "Islamic State" -"Islamic State of Iraq and Syria" -"Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" -"so called Islamic State" -"Islamic State of Iraq" | 50 | 27 | 0 | 25 | 0 | 16 | 118 |
Batternut (talk) 09:28, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Like all the Google stats before presented here - you can't show that "Islamic State" beats "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" or ISIS or ISIL or "group" because all these terms include the words "Islamic State" within them. Also Daish is short for ISIL/ISIS not "Islamic State" so we must count all versions of Diash toward the longer name. Legacypac (talk) 09:44, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
year | Islamic State | Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant | Islamic State of Iraq and Syria | Daesh / Da'esh |
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2017 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 0 |
2016 | 4 | 9 | 3 | 1 |
total | 10 | 20 | 9 | 2 |
Batternut (talk) 14:48, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
Rfc to RM |
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I have closed the RfC and reopend it as an RM because the requested moves process is the best one to use for requested moves. This is for several reasons:
I have done this as an administrator under "Page restrictions" of the discretionary sanctions that operate on this page, and I will not be involved in the discussion or the close. If you wish to question this decision then in the first instance please leave a message on my talk page. -- PBS (talk) 12:01, 18 July 2017 (UTC) |
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Asking for removal of recent edit by "Иван Гордиенко" - "Information waves with ISIS (ISIL)" makes no sense, neither the edit summary add a graph with information wave, no reference given. As his user name is in cyrilics he can be possibly connected with either islamic terrorists or perhaps even with intelligence/propagandist services of todays's fascist Russia.-2A00:1028:83BE:4392:B474:CCEC:70EB:59C (talk) 22:29, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Does this article really need 815 references? (Unsigned)
I'm going to look at content reductions / moving some sections to separate articles. Power~enwiki (talk) 22:17, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
The removal of this section was a very good move. I happen to have a lot of knowledge about this group and I believe the entire idea that any meaningful number of Muslim Chinese are fighting with ISIL is a pure invention by Beijing to discredit and suppress these people. Please keep it out. I'm an unbias outsider to that conflict. Legacypac (talk) 01:52, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
The current listed opponents in infobox are:
State opponents
Iran Iraq Saudi Arabia Syria Russia Turkey Lebanon United States
Which seems pretty random. The UK, France, Jordan, Canada, UAE and soem others have all done significant bombing. I Canada for instance has special forces on the ground, one of whom shattered the record for the longest kill shot in history. Lebanon, on the other hand, has very limited involvement even though ISIL hides out in some Lebanon valleys. Then you have countries like Libya, Philippines, Egypt, and Nigeria that are fighting ISIL branches at home. What about other countries that have suffered ISIL terror attacks? Is there some rational to the inclusion criteria here? What is the logic to the order? Should it be alphabetical or put Iraq and Syria at the top followed by other countries in rough order of scale of fight? Legacypac (talk) 02:16, 11 August 2017 (UTC)
Why isn't Israel presented as an opponent to ISIS? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.86.71.29 (talk) 15:46, 12 September 2017 (UTC)
Because ISIS never attacked Israel (on 25th April , 2016, ISIS carried an attack at an IDF unit and later apologised). Also IDF's medics provided health support — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.33.36.204 (talk) 19:43, 13 September 2017 (UTC)
"ISIL originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999".
it's not confirmed or widely shared opinion. however it's presented as a fact, with no refs. it should be either removed or written in a way "...in 1999, according to an opinion of Joby Warrick".
by the way, any islamist organization pretends to be originating in past, referring themselves even into relatives of prophet Mohammad. we should not buy their claims without facts. 46.39.248.171 (talk) 21:21, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
AL BAGHDADI STILL ALIVE AND 46MIN NEWS FROM HIM TO BE PLACED
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/amp/isis-releases-recording-billed-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-n805601 https://globalnews.ca/news/3774804/isis-new-audio-message-al-baghdadi/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.247.250.163 (talk) 21:41, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
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