Talk:Iraqi no-fly zones conflict

have there been any other no-fly zones in history? this article should be named simply No-fly zones. Kingturtle 17:31, 31 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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And what is a no-fly zone??? The article is very vague. NO! The article doesn't explain this at all! —Cantus…☎ 08:13, Feb 14, 2005 (UTC)

Heh. One might actually construe that actual flies (insects) were banned from zones in Iraq. Ross 03:49, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

Thank goodness. There are a lot of flies there.

Seriously though this needs work. There should be some background on the Iraqi attacks on the Kurds/Shiites -- indication that the U.S., after urging those groups to rebel, stood back and did nothing for a while before the world community pressured the Bush Administration to do something about it, which finally resulted in the no-fly zones.--csloat 23:22, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

There should also be a notation that the UN simply requested member states to aid in the humanitarian effort to help the Kurds.. not kill more people to aid them.

The issue I have with this article is the presumption that the aim of the NZF was to protect the kurds, when two of the largest Kurdish cities where below the NFZ. Rather it seems to have been about relieving the political pressure caused by freezing refugees on the Turkish border, then becoming on occupied stronghold for the US and UK. Isiod

Unilateral??

The article asserts that the imposition of the No-Fly zone (performed by of three nations acting together) were "unilateral". Normally that sort of thing is left for theological discussions of the Trinity; I suspect the sense of unilateral used here is the sloppy "an action we don't approve of" sense, which is inherently POV. --Sommerfeld 05:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm anti-war and I don't have any problems with removing the word 'unilaterally' from the opening paragraph, so I went ahead and removed the word. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.173.164.149 (talk • contribs)

Well, when it's done by one party (whether that party consists of several countries or not) it can still be considered unilateral since Iraq had no inout into the decision.

No-fly zone in cease-fire agreement?

Why, I'd have to go digging, but IIRC the autobiography of Norman Schwarzkopf mentioned that one provision of the cease-fire agreement which ended the 1991 gulf war was a restriction on flights by the Iraqi government and/or military. --Sommerfeld 05:48, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

As for the 1991 cease-fire agreement, I've never been able to find a copy of it and I've spent some time searching for it. If you happen to find it, I'd love to see it. We should include a link to it somewhere in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.173.164.149 (talk • contribs)

The No-Fly Zones were decidedly not in any ceasefire agreement - if they were, they would have been included in the formal UN ceasefire terms, UNSCR 687/688, which contains no trace of the NFZ. Hence, the claim by Sec Gen Ghali that the NFZ was technically illegal. Bagsc (talk) 01:43, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Neutrality tag

I removed the POV-check tag. It was added in May 2006 by Sommerfeld (see "Unilateral??" above), their objection has been addressed long ago and as it is there is currently no explicit motivation to keep it. If anyone believes that the article has a POV problem, feel free to re-add the tag but please also specify here on the talk page what you consider the problem to be. kissekatt (talk) 22:08, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Merge Iraq Sanctions and Iraqi no-fly zone

Since the sanctions and the no-fly zone occurred at the same time and same country, they should be on the same page. If on the same page but with separate sections, the reader will have a better feel for this period in the history of Iraq.

Id447 (talk) 23:07, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Agreed and it isn't a purely military conflict so lose the battle infobox. S_peakF_ree ^(talk) 19:53, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

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Hello Can someone fix the error? Parham wiki (talk) 17:15, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

When established?

The info box says that the beginning of the NFZ was 1 March 1991. That would mean that it was established directly after the end of Operation Desert Storm. Now, while during the Gulf War itself of course any Iraqi aircraft was shot down by the allies, above in the discussion "No fly-zone in the cease fire agreement?" it was stated that there were "decidedly" no no-fly zones agreed in the cease-fire. 1991 Iraqi uprising states: "the Gulf War ceasefire agreement of March 3 prohibited the Iraqi military's use of fixed-wing aircraft over the country, but allowed them to fly helicopters because most bridges had been destroyed. This was because General Norman Schwarzkopf accepted the request of an Iraqi general to fly helicopters, including armed gunships, to transport government officials because of destroyed transport infrastructure, acting without Pentagon or White House instructions; almost immediately, the Iraqis began using the helicopters as gunships to put down the uprisings." This looks to me a bit different from the well-defined NFZ that later on forbade any military aircraft in the two zones and it seems that these were established later with the northern zone to protect the Kurds coming first. If I remember correctly, the US government was very reluctant to use military force against Iraqi aircraft as they deemed the uprisings an internal matter at a time when the American forces were in the process of disengaging; a development criticized by Kurds and Shiites who put lots of hopes in American intervention. Our article United Nations Security Council Resolution 688 mentions that that resolution was used by the allies "to establish Iraqi no-fly zones to protect humanitarian operations in Iraq, though the resolution made no explicit reference to no-fly zones." The resolution, though, was from 5 April 1991, well after the cease-fire and at a time when the rebellions, especially in the south, were already almost cracked down. So when exactly was the start of the (northern) NFZ? From the context it must have started around the middle of April 1991. If the exact date can be established, the info box should be corrected accordingly. Proofreader (talk) 09:27, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I found a German TV news broadcast of 10 April 1991 that mentions the establishment of the northern NFZ: . While this gives a date, it is not the most suitable of sources. So maybe someone has another one to confirm this. --Proofreader (talk) 20:33, 28 August 2024 (UTC)