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Micheal Boatner's 1974 book, the Encyclopedia of the American Revolution gives a different ancestry. It has been picked up by a number of web sites, but I still accept my older notes. As a defense, many libraries have dropped the Boatner book due to other inaccuracies. In fairness, however, I must report there are no other specific challenge to his version of Gates' biography. Lou I 19:45, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Does anyone have any information on where General Gates was from? The article makes no mention of that, save that he was an officer in the British regular army and served in Europe, America, and the West Indies.--Raguleader 08:19, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Regardless of his ancestry, Horatio Gates is a true bastard. He proved it at Camden. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.78.139.30 (talk) 19:26, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
From Eileen Scully 18 July 2011, we now have an authoritative document recording HG's baptism. A digital image of the baptismal ledger from St Nicholas Parish (see below) can readily be found on Ancestry.com. Date of christening is not equivalent to date of birth, and HG might have been one month or even one year old when baptized. On the other hand, the timing and location of his baptism corroborates the general narrative and scenario recorded by Horatio-Horace Walpole, i.e. that Walpole was about ten when HG was born, and that Walpole's mother (who resided largely in Kent county, was the channel by which HG's mother arranged for Walpole to be godfather. The original baptismal entry for HG reads, "Horatio s of Rt Gates." Ancestry's transcription includes Parish and location information taken from the St Nicholas Parish register itself:
Over the decades and centuries, the original English connotations of a "housekeeper" for Lord of Here or Lady of There have been lost, and so we get people saying and assuming that HG's mother was a maid, or domestic servant. It's probably more correct to say, as some have, that HG's mother had some small but credible claim to important ancestors, and she made the most of it.
HG's papers include correspondence with his parents of record, i.e. Robert & Dorothy Gates, spanning 1759 to 1766 (HG to Robert and Dorothy Gates, c 1759, 1:175; Robert and Dorothy Gates to HG, 8 Aug 1765, 1:748; ditto, 23 Jan 1766, 1:803; HG to R& DG, 4 May 1766, 1:828 (HGP, NYPL). There is also a 21 March 1767 court order appointing HG as executor to his father Robert’s estate in England (Patterson; HGP 1:979). It would be helpful to have those documents online.
Mintz makes a strong case that Dorothy Gates was Dorothy Hubbock, daughter of John Hubbock, postmaster at Fulham. Checking on this family through Google-books, we find that John Hubbock SR and JR belonged to the same St Nicholas Parish in which HG was baptized. Mintz also states that Dorothy Hubbock had at least one prior marriage, to one Thomas Reeve, and that years before HG was born she borrowed the name "Peregrine" from her employer, the second Duke of Leeds (Peregrine Osborne). Records (on Ancestry) show one PEREGRINE REEVES christened at St. Alfege, Greenwich, London, on 23 March 1712 O.S./1713 N.S., the son of Thomas (a shipwright) and Dorothy Reeves. This same Peregrine Reeves was buried in St Dunston and All Saints Parish, Middlesex County, on 20 February 1776.
From Eileen Scully....7-22-2011
HG's father Robert Gates (1697-1767)
Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, SAINT ALFEGE, GREENWICH, Register of baptisms, including baptisms at the Queen's House 1690 - 1693, 1680 May-1721 Dec, P78/ALF/002
SIBLINGS of Robert Gates:
Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, SAINT ALFEGE, GREENWICH, Register of baptisms, including baptisms at the Queen's House 1690 - 1693, 1680 May-1721 Dec, P78/ALF/002
Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, SAINT ALFEGE, GREENWICH, Register of baptisms, including baptisms at the Queen's House 1690 - 1693, 1680 May-1721 Dec, P78/ALF/002
HG's parents, Robert & Dorothy Gates, offspring included:
Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, SAINT ALFEGE, GREENWICH, Register of baptisms, including baptisms at the Queen's House 1690 - 1693, 1680 May-1721 Dec, P78/ALF/002
Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Olave, Bermondsey, Composite register: baptisms, marriages, burials, P71/OLA, Item 013
Name: Horatio Gates
Source Citation: London Metropolitan Archives, Saint Nicholas, Deptford, Composite register: baptisms Jun 1717 - Oct 1786, burials May 1718 - Nov 1786, P78/NIC, Item 005 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.68.212.212 (talk) 03:36, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Question about the line that Gates "had no obvious connection" to the Newburgh Conspiracy. Joseph J. Ellis has Gates not only complicit in the Newburgh Conspiracy but actually leading the radical faction that wanted to act out the military takeover. p. 142 His Excellency, Knopf, New York:2004. Ellis cites Richard H. Kohn, Eagle and Sword: The Beginnings of the Military Establishment in America, New York:1975. --Hilander 03:40, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't this be moved to wikipedia commons? Fawcett5 16:07, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
"The political maneuverings of Washington's underlings were unintentionally exposed to Washington by Gates' adjutant, James Wilkinson."
It seems like this should read "Gate's underlings" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.137.158 (talk) 05:30, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
This information was not sourced, tagged since July 2011:
In July of 1780, Gates was involved in a minor skirmish with Loyalists in southern Connecticut, the center of the American textiles trade, for which Britain was a major export market. No casualties were reported, though stores of Loyalist livestock were destroyed, depriving the British of those provisions.
I researched this, and found absolutely nothing to substantiate it. If anyone does find this information, please add it and provide the reference! Monsieurdl mon talk 15:57, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Gates was the greatest American traitor known to date, yet this article uses clever words and irony to just infer that. Simply put, he was one of the best weapons the British had against the colonies, since he discredited Arnold (one of the best field commanders of the war on either side) and almost took out Washington. If not for his abject cowardice at Camden, Gates may have succeeded in subverting Washington and effectively handing America to the British. Amply documented in PBS' http://www.pbs.org/ktca/liberty/ and many other documentaries that speak more plainly and accurately to the true depth of Gates' depravity and amorality in seeking self-advancement at any cost. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.11.85.188 (talk) 00:27, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
How is it that there is not a single thing in here between 1772 and 1780? Where is the account of Gates during the Revolution? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.17.75.51 (talk) 04:19, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
I think the word "allegedly" should be added to the lede when talking about the Conway Cabal - either Gates's involvement is alleged or the cabal itself should be labeled thus. There is a good deal of doubt whether the cabal actually existed as described.Purplethree (talk) 22:33, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
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