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It is true that Hungarian Science of Academy is proposing that Hungarian language has lent numerous words from Turkic and Slav languages, before 1000BC. But can this be true?
Using common sense only, the main contradiction is connecting Hungarian to Finnish-Permic; but why? Because they are both agglutinating language? Why don't we state that WE DO NOT KNOW, we only THINK it could be connected. Even after centuries of investigation, we still don't know, we have to admit it. This article is stating that Hungarian is Finno-Ugric, punctum, that's not true.
Some facts:
Finnish and Hungarian have some words common, but around 600 word roots, they are all related to tundra climate (like hal/kala=fish) and basic words (like kéz/kessi=hand). The number is very small. This is why Hungarians DO NOT understand Finnish AT ALL (and vice versa). The distance is huge. Even for Estonia the distance is too large (see map). Nothing in between. Too many words of unknown origin in Hungarian (even in "Magyar Értelmező Szótár"), interestingly all words relating to religion is of unknown origin (isten=god, böjt=fasting, húsvét=easter)
and a lot of words are from Turkish and Slavic (at least this is official statement from Science of Academy). These words are animals (like kecske=goat), so they are still basic words.
So this is official explanation (with sarcastic comments):
Finno-Ugric nomadic tribes from Uralic Mountains speak very few words, as they are like half apes.
They are waiting for other nations to develop words for goat and they know nothing about agriculture.
They are living on both sides of Ural, which is very difficult to cross, but the language is quite united.
Some part of the tribe decide to travel 6000km to South-West. They do this knowing it is very difficult to travel (with women, kids, houses) and we need not to forget that there were no highways at that time and no refrigerators. People needed to reserve food for long winters. I would say population of some ten thousands of Hungarians (at least!), to travel 6000km, is barely nothing.
They travel for long and then they arrive to Carpathian basin, where they immediately start Magyarization of all Slavs there (although there are no archeological sites showing any Slav tribe, its only taken from Chronicles), they do it very quickly, in less than 100 years everybody speaks Hungarian there. They should do this very agressively, and kill a lot of people, though no archeological sites could be found for mass murder. They still are half apes, as the language is still poor (yet the Hungarian craftmanship is very developed - what a paradox!). So the Hungarians start to migrate a lot of words from Slav, but they still need to wait till 13-14 century for the Ottomans to start to attack Hungary and hand over words so they can call the goat now "kecske", at last!
See? If you look it this way, this is not corresponding to common sense!
Here is a recommended part to include in this article:
Hungarian is agglutinating like Scythian, Hun language
of which is probable relating to Hungarian (but we don't know!)
The root words of Hungarian is very rich, some linguists say its roots are 60,000 root words (like "szer" where it is used in "szeret"=love and "szerződés"=contract, yes they have a lot in common as ancient contracts were made on love=trust, not on interest).
Relation with Finno-Ugric is still feasible, as Scythian and Finno-Ugric had a "lingua franca", as the two types of people were bordering each other. So the 600 words were used to understand each other on basic level (most probably!). During this period, the grammar was also shared (probably).
As Hungarian had sophisticated craftmanship, even before the "ingressus"(=entering, incoming) to Carpathian Basin, it is highly questionable that the "ancient" Hungarian language was a primitive one.
Words taken from Slavic and Turkish could not happen (taken only from common sense, pls note there is no evidence!). In fact, we should start talking about a process of reverse order: Slavic languge taking words from Hungarian.It is well known that Romanian (or Wallachian) language took a lot of words like "city" and even "Erdély"(Ardeul)=Transylvania, so I am pointing that it is possible from Slavic, too. An example could be "král"="király"=king, which is supposed to come from Charlemagne, but maybe, "király" is referring to "kerül"=to border something? I could cite more examples.
Where are all the loads of words with unknown origin come from (like words of religion)? Why not from Hungary?? If I was offending, pls note it was not my intension. My intension was not to put a "theory" as it is a "fact", it is dangerous. Please don't let linguists play the role of historians, and do not let them be driven by politics. Abdulka (talk) 22:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Origin of the Magyar [Hungarian]Language How old is the hungarian language?
Many Philologists are wondering about the origin of the Magyar (Hungarian) Language. Hungary is located in the middle of Central Europe, yet her language is neither Germanic, nor Slavic, and not related even to Latin.
The English Philologist Sir John Bowring (1792 - 1872) spoke many languages, and Hungarian was one of them. He even had translated many Hungarian poems into English and published a collection of essays about language. In ist foreword he wrote following:
"The Hungarian language goes far back. It developed in a very peculiar manner, and its structure reaches back to times when most of the spoken European languages did not even exist. It is a language in which there is a logic and mathematics with the adaptability and malleability of strength and chords. The Englishman should be proud that his laguage indicated an epic of human history. Ohne can show forth its origin, and alien layers can be distinguished in it, which gathered together during the contacts whith different nations.
Whereas the Hungarian language is like a rubble stone, consisting of only on piece on which the storm of time left no scrach. It is not a calendar that adjust to the changes of the ages. It needs no one, it does not borrow and does not give or take from anyone. This language is the oldest and most glorius monument of national sovereignty and mental independence.
What scholars could not solve, they ignore. In philology it is the same as in archeology. The floors of the old Egyptian temples, which were made out of a single rock cannot be explained. No one knows where they came from, from which mountain the wondrous mass was taken, or how they were transported and lifted in place in the temples.
The genuineness of the Hungarian language is much mor wondrous than that. He who solves it shall be analyzing the divine secret: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. "
Sir John Bowring
There's vandalism on this page. It's been here for months. Let's see if you idiots can find it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.82.26.22 (talk) 23:09, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
It should be mentioned that 200 years ago only 29% of the population on the territory of modern Hungary spoke Hungarian. СЛУЖБА (talk) 00:02, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
I tagged this article for possible inclusion of Original Research, and also the need for in-line citations. Phrases such as "Maybe a memoir ..." and many others do not sound very encyclopedic. When writing material, you are required to add a reference from which you got the information from. Just making a list of references is not good enough. There are less than a dozen citations for a lengthy article which is supposedly grounded in documented history. Please clean it up. It's just slightly beyond start-class as it stands. HammerFilmFan (talk) 17:44, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
What are those based on, and why are they preferred to the original text? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.139.93.230 (talk) 18:05, 18 August 2015 (UTC)
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I just ran across an interesting old source listing Old Hungarian numbers.
Newberry Library VAULT Case MS 54.1, folio 57v
MS 54.1 is a collection of medieval musical treatises. One of the treatises additionally lists the alphabets and numerals for a number of languages, including Greek, Arabic, Persian, Turkish and... on a later page: Hungarian.
"Iggi, kettu, harum, niggi, ut, hot, hette, nolch, kilenz, tyz, tyzeneggi, hohzz, honzniggi, honziketu, harmiggi, negevey, utven, hetven, khotvan, noltsalz, kilensaz, saaz" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.254.153.71 (talk) 08:46, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
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Brutal Russian, could you tell me where this diacritics come from:
- Hungarī
- sagíttis
- Hungarórum
- líbera
- Dómine?(KIENGIR (talk) 21:00, 8 December 2020 (UTC))
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