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I've marked the entire section on Australia for cleanup. I'd copyedit the thing if I had any idea what it was trying to say. Seriously, guys, I know machines that can write more comprehensibly than that. --Nicholas Tam 12:21, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
I think this whole article could use a serious cleanup (and have marked it). There's good info here, but the language reads like a not-quite perfect translation, and a lot of the facts need more detail -- don't have time to find them all, but one example is the line "In those days, the Japanese army was strongly pushing to begin the war because Germany was winning." What dates? Who was pushing? Why? Why did Tojo care? There's a lot of lines all over the article that have similar problems.
I do think the lead is quite good as is, but I wasn't quite sure how to mark everything expect that. -- Fang2415 12:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to see more info about what those war crimes were. Also add some information on the Baatan Death March, and the treatment of people in the Phillipines after the Japanese invasions,
What is his right-wing grand daughters name? --Reagle 23:52, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
Because he was a World War II figure, Tojo is best known in English order. (The English version of Mainichi Shimbun uses English order ) WhisperToMe 03:18, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
"6,300" for "Hideki Tojo" "1,860" for "Tojo Hideki" WhisperToMe 03:21, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
It is not "also done" on Wikipedia in this way, and I could cite several pages to prove it, but I suppose consistency only means what the Wikipedia cabal wants. Ataru (talk) 14:58, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
Surely Tojo can't be the 27th Prime Minister of Japan? On the relevant articles his predecessor Fumimaro Konoe was said to be the 38th and 39th while his successor Kuniaki Koiso was said to be the 41st.
"Why Tojo became the prime minister?" Seems like an odd thing to have as a subtitle. I think at least the question mark at the end should be removed, unless there is something I'm missing.
Any guesses on what this is trying to say?
Saforrest 16:55, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
This meaining preciselly,why Hideki Tojo poses direct command over Japanese Secret Services,since your period of Commander in Kempeitai Forces in Manchukuo(also leading Manchukuo secret services in time).later continuing your administration of such units during your military career and Prime Minister period,untill 1944.certain sources linked at he with Koki Hirota(who if leader in Black Dragon Society) since short times before at your Prime Minister times and during first stages of Pacific Wartimes.
For example if mentioned why Tojo and Hirota,if meeting in Black Dragons Hq in Tokyo,for readed the informs provided by agents in secret group(related with Japanese Military Secret Services),and analized the general strategy in future war against United States, other western powers in area and Soviet Union.Hirota was one of leaders why managing the secret services in Black Dragon Society.
In same place Tojo making some comentaire respect at future of japanese policy when he gaining the power for convert in dictator of Japan,and making the war against America,in presence of proper Hirota,also theirs discuses abouth if adequate time for realzing the strike against U.S. in 1941 or 1942 in these period.
What is the relevance of the comment regarding Tojo's favored brand of toothpaste? Is this some sort of in-joke, or just random vandalism? --Halloween jack 21:41, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
What is the purpose of this sentence? "It is not known, however, which brand of toothpaste he preferred, possibly because of brazen attempts by obscure interests to suppress such inquiries."
The article says that Hideki Tojo was an ultranationalist thinker. And by clicking the link, you find out that he was a bronze sculpture! Surely he wasn't; we should change the link to somewhere else. --Acepectif 18:19, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I remember watching a BBC documentary examing the extent of the Emperor's responsibility for the war in Asia & the Pacific. The documentary suggested that Tojo was ordered by his fellows to take the heat for the war and die so that the Emperor could be spared trial. The Americans were apparently also implicated in the conspiracy, and forced him to make false confessions in court. I haven't added this because I don't have any material references to link to; incriminating the Emperor is apparently taboo in Japan.Kurzon 22:12, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
On 16 February 1942, the British diplomats secretly proposed a peace deal with Japan. A possible agreement was that if Great Britain formally recognised the authority of imperial Japan over Northern China and Manchuria, the Japanese would give Britain sovereignty over the Malay Peninsula and Singapore.
Are there any sources regarding this bit of info?
The main text says Tojo was forced to resign on July 18, 1944, yet the infobox under his picture says he was PM till July 22. Which date is correct ? I wonder if it took four days to get a replacement, so Tojo was still PM officially for 4 extra days after his resignation ? -- PFHLai 14:26, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Following is a passage from the current article-- 2dLt (Infantry), April 1905; was graduated from War College, December 1915; official duty, Switzerland, August 1919; Major, August 1920; official duty, Germany, July 1921; LtCol, August 1924; Colonel, August 1918; Regimental Commander, 1st Infantry, August 1929; MajGen, March 1933; Commandant,"Rikugun Shikan Gakko" (Military Academy), March 1934;
To me this is poorly worded to the point that I'm not entirely certain what it's trying to say. Also, the date as listed states that he was promoted to Colonel two years before being made a Major. Should this correctly read August 1928? Also, what about his promotions to 1LT and CAPT? -- stubblyhead | T/c 21:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
The Will translation at the bottom looks like it was done on some computer program and thus appears very poorly done.I think we need to get a native japanese speaker to translate it into English.
Agreed. Can't make head or tail of it! Strength to your translating arm. --Adam Brink 16:04, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
A fairly well-developed article, lots of sections, picture, infobox... Military service section needs clean-up, as does the war crimes "counts" section. No references listed. Overall length not nearly good enough for such a major figure. And does Tojo get macrons? If so, that needs to be addressed as well. LordAmeth 01:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Guys, I am pretty new to Wikipedia, but having read the Tojo Hideki article, it is fairly obvious that whoever wrote it has heavily, heavily tried to whitewash the role of the Emperor. The Emperor is shown as being generally 'anti-war', encouraging his subordinates to negotiate. Certainly this was the standard story that benefitted both the Americans and the Japanese in the post-war period. However, more sober analysis has shown convincingly that this view was basically fiction.
I'm sorry I can not be more helpful, as I am simply too busy to write this myself. however, the simple fact is that the parts dealing with the emperor (and whatever nonsense was there about "yamamoto's plan to invade australia" needs complete and total revision, or at least to be flagged as biased. my basic test of wikipedia is "would this pass in an 8th grade textbook?" the answer here is absolutely not.
Hi, I added references from serious authors and from the Shôwa monologue itself. The specific chronology of the imperial conferences is well known and is in opposition with most of the precedent stuff. I kept the paragraph about the poor Tôjô crying even if I have never read anything about that but, without reference, it should be deleted. I had to delete this incredible assertion about Shôwa authorizing the withdrawal from China AND Manchukuo(!!!!). It had no reference and it is contrary to EVERY known primary source. --Flying tiger 23:58, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
While I appreciate the new passages' attempt to more neutrally present the Emperor's role, the old text had the virtue of flowing better. Someone well-versed in the subject should try to integrate the two versions, hopefully producing a more coherent result. The whole article, of course, could do with some improvement. Biruitorul 19:11, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Someone has added a strange section called «Will» at the bottom of the page. It is written completly out of context with a vague reference. I presume it is a declaration of Tôjô after the surrender of Japan. As there is no mention of time and place, I simply do not see its relevance. I consider it is better to simply delete it. If an user want it back, please add a context. --Flying tiger 14:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
just want to point out that his name has been spelled three different ways throughout the article. Sometimes in one sentence spelled one way, and in the very next sentence spelled another. Not very professional in my opinion, I would go and change it if I knew which one to use... --Rogutaan 12:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
The official spelling is the second one. "Tojo" is wrong and I presume "Tôjô" was added by users who could not write the japanese symbols withtheir computer... --Flying tiger 13:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
The very first line of the article says: "In this Japanese name, the family name is "Yölö". That seems completely wrong to me, unless the "Yö" in "Yölö" is pronounced as the English word "toe". The first character of Tojo's last name is the "higashi" character meaning "east" which is pronounced "toe". The correct line should be: "In this Japanese name, the family name is "Tojo". -- buraian - Tokyo, Japan
The "Yomiuri Shimbun" has an article on Tojo in a series called "War Responsibility Verification" at www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/features/0007/. Article 9 is "Main blame lies with Tojo". 16 July 2007
What was his involvement with the Japanese military during the first world war? --NEMT 18:58, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
Under the Capture, Trial, and Execution Section, it is listed as waging war against the British Commonwealth (Hong Kong). This fails to mention Burma, Malaysia, or Papua New Guinea, which were attacked as well. Rucha 04:17, 20 September 2007 (UTC) User:Rucha58
I was perusing Judge Dredd comics that were compiled from the mid-1980s, and I noticed that the character would call an Asian villain "Tojo" as a slang name. It appears to originate from Hideki Tojo, and I believe I've seen in other older works where the term "Tojo" was used as a derogatory name used for any Japanese person. Any ideas of what to make of it and if it should be included here or in an article about racism against Asians? I'd be happy to scan the images from the Dredd comic. --Bobak (talk) 20:56, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Should mention that in the U.S. during WW2 Tojo was seen as the Japanese Hitler, and was widely caricatured and derided in propaganda material. Japan was sometimes called "Tojoland"... AnonMoos (talk) 14:07, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
As a brazilian general told decades ago:"Military means obedience".Hideki Tojo never did nothing, against the wishes of japanese emperor Hirohito.Using atomic bombs as a cover, "Uncle Sam", forgave the war crimes of Emperor Hirohito, in exchange of his total support during Cold War.This deal was excellent for both:United States and Hirohito.In politics, there's no foes or frieds;there's interests and targets.Agre22 (talk) 02:12, 8 August 2008 (UTC)agre22
Is there any reason he is listed in the Category: Humanitarians? --195.0.221.197 (talk) 14:41, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
So he tries to kill himself, with a marking where his heart is and he shoots himself there four times at point-blank range and he pisses every time and hits himself in the stomach instead and lives. Suicide sometimes just fails, doesn't it? What makes this even funnier, is the fact he was a majour general in the Japanese Imperial Army and he can't make the shot. How did he even get pass basic training? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.129.235.101 (talk) 19:10, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
a source for this article was another article about hideki tojo on WW2db.com. said article says at the bottom that its source is wikipedia. not good...--Violarulez (talk) 04:55, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
The entire page is fishy. The search bar on the left-hand column of boxes (e.g. navigation, interaction...) is missing entirely and the sections are spaced differently. The tabs (article, history...) are also shifted, like some other wiki. Hideki Tojo does not look like its talk page at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.11.41 (talk) 05:39, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
In the opening paragraph it reads :- "Some historians hold him responsible for the bombing of Pearl Harbor ..." How can there be any doubt? He was prime minister. Who else could have been responsible? SmokeyTheCat •TALK• 08:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
It is not possible to shoot oneself four times in the chest.Eregli bob (talk) 01:42, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
I think it must be mentioned that the U.S. government based on their new relationship with the Japanese did not want to antagonize them further and worked together with the Japanese authorities to downplay the Emperor's role in the war and put the blame more on Tojo. Its not fair to put all the blame on Tojo. I noticed especially in the introductory paragraph "As Prime Minister, he was directly responsible for the attack on Pearl Harbor, which led to the war between Japan and the United States" he may have been involved but was not solely responsible. --blackdove66
The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 22:42, 20 March 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)
Hideki Tōjō → Hideki Tojo – The nondiacritic version is almost universal in English. Ngrams does not even have Tōjō, it's so rare in English. 12.180.227.126 (talk) 14:01, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
I removed After 1941 he would change his given name from the Chinese-inspired "Eiki" to the traditionally more Japanese "Hideki" (see on'yomi). It's very dubious and probably an error, cited though. Unfortunately there are errors found in en sources, even though they are thought as RSs. His father's name is Hidenori and it's natural that his son's name is Hideki. On'yomi names are very rare. They are usually nicknames like Hirobumi Ito is sometimes called Ito Hakubun. As far as I searched, there are no ja page says his name was Eiki. Please find RSs in ja. Oda Mari (talk) 06:51, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
I don't think it was directed by Masuda. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.255.27 (talk) 05:04, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
A professional army general in charge of Japan. Was he a reincarnation of the Bakufu?84.13.51.52 (talk) 19:39, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
Have removed a sentence from the section on his suicide that claimed "It was not until approximately two hours after his suicide attempt that military police and a physician attended to Tojo." This is simply cited to the Pittsburgh Post Gazette Newspaper with no further explanation or date of issue. This contradicts the 2nd paragraph of the suicide section which describes the MPs surrounding his house to have heard the shot and then rushed in. While it is possible that it took 2 hours for him to be seen by a physician, the MPs were clearly right there, and without further details about this Post article, I think it prudent to remove this for now. Cannolis (talk) 15:27, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
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The Hideki Tojo website is severely lacking. I would hope that someone would come along and fix it! The information on the site is great; but it is careless, sloppy writing that frequently makes little to no sense. MAJOR editing is needed. |
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I changed the following paragraph, removing citations 34 and 1
Many historians[34][1] criticize the work done by General Douglas MacArthur and his staff to exonerate Emperor Hirohito and all members of the imperial family from criminal prosecutions. According to them, MacArthur and Brigadier General Bonner Fellers worked to protect the Emperor and shift ultimate responsibility to Tojo.[35][36][37]
The phrase "Many historians criticize" had two citations, neither supporting the statement. The first is a dead link to the article "Hirohito's Triump" that appears to have since been moved to a new url on the same site This article does not mention Hideki Tojo or any attempt to shift blame from the Emperor. The most relevant section I could find is as follows:
Unknown to both the emperor and his warlords, however, in Washington the retention of Hirohito as at least the spiritual and symbolic ruler of Japan had already been agreed upon on August 10. Former U.S. ambassador to Tokyo Joseph C. Grew told President Truman at the White House “that even if the question had not been raised by the Japanese, we would have to continue to accept the emperor ourselves under our commander’s supervision.
“In order to get him to surrender the many scattered armies of the Japanese who would own no other authority, and that something like this use of the emperor must be made in order to save us from a score of bloody Iwo Jimas and Okinawas all over China and the New Netherlands.
“He was the only source of authority in Japan under the Japanese theory of the state.”
This was the view also expressed to Truman by Secretary of War Henry L. Stimson and other key advisers. In 1955, Truman himself posed the questions he had faced a decade earlier: “Could we continue the emperor, and yet expect to eliminate the warlike spirit in Japan? Could we even consider a message with so large a ‘but’ to the kind of unconditional surrender we had fought for?”
In 1973, Margaret Truman added, “My father agreed, but in a way that did not compromise his position, that the people of Japan must remain free to choose their own form of government.”
I would not describe this as critical, nor does it make any mention of MacArthur, his staff, or any attempt by them to shift blame. As for the second citation, the relevant passage consists of a single non-critical sentence,
Meanwhile, the Allies, especially MacArthur, went to great lengths to ensure that Emperor Hirohito would be shielded from war crimes accusations.
followed by an excerpt from MacArthur's own memoirs justifying the act. No further comment is made of this in the book. In short, these citations don't support the claim that many historians are critical, and as such I have removed them.
With regards to the sources at the end of the paragraph, Bix, and to lesser extent Dower, are in fact extremely critical of Showa and also of the actions taken to save him from trial. However, two is not many, and specificity is better than vague words which can imply more than the sources say, so I changed the paragraph to mention them specifically.
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the text suggests Tojo is the 26th Prime minister of Japan, but the photo has a caption suggesting he is the 40th. Which is it ? Is an edit thus required ? ---- Russell van Hooff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.197.209.205 (talk) 08:53, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
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