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Why is this article missing causes? Pages such as, homosexuality and pedophilia include a "causes" section, why not this page? Should it have one? 2001:8003:38F1:DB00:50F2:DEE5:F505:2EBA (talk) 08:51, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
The disambiguation page,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight, says "Straight, slang for heterosexual." This article is itself a redirect from "straight man." Meanwhile there is no redirect from "straight woman" even though the term "Straight women" is used alongside "straight men" in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_sexual_orientation. But beyond the redirect notice at the head of this Heterosexuality article, this article does not use the word "straight." That is in itself odd, I think. Then I notice that Wikipedia does offer up https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queer as well as both https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay . The discrepancy suggests to me that the relation of straight : heterosexuality is not congruent with that of queer : homosexuality or gay : homosexuality. Hence I begin to question whether "straight" and "heterosexual" are true synonyms; are they perhaps just related terms? Has an older synonymy deteriorated over time as knowledge about sexuality and sexual orientations has grown, and theories of them shifted? I may well be wrong about that; I'm just guessing. Still I believe that this article could be improved by including a discussion of recent (and not so recent) publications that explore the problematics of straightness in relation to heterosexuality. For example: Theorising Heterosexuality (1996), Border Patrols (1997), Straight with a Twist (1999), Thinking Straight (2004), Straight (2012), and Straights (2014). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.17.178.22 (talk) 20:47, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
My apologies, the article does use the word "straight" and discusses heteronormativity -- all to the good. But I still think it would be worthwhile to elucidate the concept of "straightness" here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.17.178.22 (talk) 20:53, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
It seems odd to have two long paragraphs on conversion therapy. I applaud the motivation involved in showing the practice is no good, but it seems odd to discuss it so much in an article about heterosexuality. No heterosexuals are being pressured to undergo that. Shouldn't that material mostly be in sexual orientation or somewhere else? Perhaps it could be shortened? -Crossroads- (talk) 04:57, 27 July 2019 (UTC)
Regarding this, it seems weird to me to mention animal behavior in the lead and not mention heterosexual behavior's role in sexual reproduction. That doesn't need a cite per WP:BLUE. That is the reason all mammals and nearly all animals engage in the behavior and why it evolved. Two of us seem to feel it should be there. I don't get the opposition. Edited to add: I'm not opposed to cutting the reference to animals in the lead either. -Crossroads- (talk) 17:18, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
Hey, Flyer, regarding this, you should know that on my talk page TrynaMakeADollar suggested adding this statement, and changing the lead version, and I stated, both of these ideas sound reasonable to me. I suggest implementing them. I originally didn't put "vast majority" so as not to make the statement too strong, in case there was an objection to having it at all. But since others support it now, we may as well try to make it fit the source more. I am not aware of any similar MEDRS sources that contradict it.
I didn't think you would necessarily object.
But at any rate, the source does say, There is no persuasive evidence that the rate of same-sex attraction has varied much across time or place...We expect that in all cultures the vast majority of individuals are sexually predisposed exclusively to the other sex (i.e., heterosexual) and that only a minority of individuals are sexually predisposed (whether exclusively or non-exclusively) to the same sex.
All the MEDRS and scientific sources I have seen are in harmony with this. Like this genome study for instance, which for its prevalence figure had cited several sources including Bailey et al. (unfortunately it is paywalled now). There are others too. Like I said, I don't know of any MEDRS or scientific sources that contradict that in all cultures the vast majority are heterosexual. We could maybe leave off "exclusive", so as not to be too strong and given that a few researchers speculate on higher numbers for low levels of same sex desire, but even that is not necessary, IMO. My original statement was weaker, but that was because it was preferable to not having it and I didn't know if there would be opposition. But I now see no need to water down Bailey et al.'s findings. We may as well correct some people's mistaken ideas that 'everyone is at least a little bi', 'in Ancient Greece everyone was kind of gay', and so on. -Crossroads- (talk) 03:11, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
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Correctly termed, heterosexuality would simply be described as sexuality. Without reproductive intent the sexual act becomes simply erotic. An erotic act can be configured numerously according to the persons or genders involved. Most commonly we hear "Hetero Erotic" and "Homo Erotic" although other combinations may be possible depending on how the involved parties wish to represent themselves.
Perhaps quite unusually, it has become commonplace to use the suffix "sexual" where in fact no sexual (meaning "reproductive") behaviour is involved. In the future it may be desirable to consider adopting the term "hetero/homoEROTIC-in-lieu-of-SEXUAL" to also establish at the outset particularly in relationships between sexually compatible partners that a man or woman's wish is to absolutely avoid a reproductive result (pregnancy), and equally desirable to make it illegal to entice a person of the opposite sex with such terms as "sexual" when only mutual mastubation (eroticism) is the objective. Usage of birth control methods, for example, remove the sexual intent and therefore render all "play" sexless.
Until the/a culture advances to adopt the proper usage, however, the following article sets out to describe the word "Heterosexual" as we accept it popularly today: Real Meanings (talk) 02:21, 24 October 2019 (UTC)
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