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Possibly someone should mention that he was one of People Magazine's 50 mos beautiful people one year? Only Congressperson to ever achieve that, although it means absolutely nothing and I hate People, as it's not really literature; it's like TV on paper, only more crappy. Still, it's something.
Certainly one can argue that the "Blue Dogs" and the "New Democrats" are pro-growth, but how can anyone attach desription that to the Congressional Black Caucus? What have they ever done to show themselves to be "pro-growth"? Rlquall 02:31, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The part about Ford's moderate voting record, in spite of charges that he is a liberal, is misworded IMO. The dominant consensus is that Ford is a moderate or 'centrist', as opposed to a doctrinaire liberal democrat. Indeed, his prominence in organizations with a reputation for moderation and centrism, such as the "New Democrat" & "Blue Dog" coalitions would give cover to this assertion. Charges of liberalism would be heterodox to the consensus; and should be framed that way.
The entry should be changed to something that states that Ford is considered a moderate in his party, and indeed he belongs to several coalitions within the supposed moderate or centrist wing of the party; although some charge that his voting record is little different from those of his more avowedly liberal colleagues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dustin Ridgeway (talk • contribs)
The Rasmussen poll regarding a percentage of people who say their family or friends would voted for Ford because of race is hearsay. It's poll of hearsay. Smacks of propaganda.
The www.fancyford.com reference should be kept, no argument there, but RNC didn't fund the site--a GOP senate committee did--could be a matter of semantics.
"which critics have derided as racist" is a lie. You site two sources, both of which are blogs, one blog is quoted below, the other blog make no reference to racism whatsoever.
"Elizabeth Dole is a racist
Posted by Jesse on March 10, 2006
Check out FancyFord.com, a racist attack site created by the National Republican Senatorial Committee to oppose Rep. Harold Ford, Jr., who’s running for Senate in Tennessee.
What’s the message behind this site? The line of white women on the front page, the fact that it highlights his attendance at NBA All Star events featuring Biz Markie, the emphasis on opulence all combine to portray Ford as a pimp. The site tries to be subtle in its racism, but it fails.
Elizabeth Dole is the chair of the NRSC. If this is the kind of trash she’s pushing in her tenure, then she should be forced out of the Senate. It’s disgusting."
Blogs are not valid reference material and neither is the poll reference to hearsay.
Please edit today or I will, thanks. Scribner 18:55, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Your reference is not to the TRN, it's to a blog called, "The Plank". The Plank does not say "the NRSC is basically portraying Ford as a black pimp" as you claim. The Plank does say, "As Jesse Berney (whose post I found via Atrios) points out, the NRSC is basically portraying Ford as a black pimp."
You're using two left wing blogs and a Rasmussen poll of what people think other people think as a claim of racism and slander (black pimp). No way. Also, Ford did visit the Playboy mansion and the vast majority of Playmates are white. I'm white and "black pimp" never crossed my mind.
What did cross my mind is exactly what the GOP senate claims on the site's front page, "Makes you wonder what the folks back in TN think."
It's mudslinging politics, I'll agree with both blogs on that note.Scribner 00:56, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
First off, the poll was done by Rasmussen, which predicted the 2004 presidential election to within .5% of the vote. It is a very reliable and trustworthy pollster which is generally considered conservative leaning, if anything. It asked a simple question and got a simple answer. How is it unscientific? And how are you to decide that? Wikipedia article clearly use rasmussen's polls, proven by the fact that the polls are used when discussing the senate election itself. So we can only use the ones you like but not the ones you don't? What's your criteria for using a poll. It's scientific by Rasmussen sometimes but not other times?
Not your job to decide. It goes back in. --69.249.195.232 08:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
As an anon has said, this doesn't belong in an article about Ford. It should all go in the district's article. Harro5 04:12, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
Blueboy96 noted "Added seat history, since it looks like it can't be done on district pages". [[User:Jersyko|Jersyko}} removed it, saying "who says it can't be done on district pages? isn't there already a 9th District article with this information?".
My response? I took the info from Blueboy96's revision, and put it into the Tennessee's 9th congressional district's article. I think it's a nice touch, actually. -- Sholom 18:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
A brief history of Congressman Ford's family is warranted in this article, at best. The family legal problems are not the cause of Harold Ford, Jr. and shouldn't be adressed in his article. If it's decided to keep the family legal problems in his artcle, then let's keep the history factual and watch NPOV--Ophelia Ford was not stripped of her seat. (large can of worms with that statement) The election was voided. End of story.--Scribner 19:37, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Below are links to radio interviews with Harold Ford, Jr. on local Tennessee radio shows. http://www.southernrootsradio.com/sounds/ford2-23-06.mp3 http://www.eddieconner.net/sounds/HF02-13-06.mp3 http://www.southernrootsradio.com/sounds/HFord3-23-06.mp3 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.83.130.158 (talk • contribs) .
mine:
The latter commercial has a series of people pretending to be average Americans, average Tennesseeans, mockingly complimenting Mr. Ford, with what are obviously actually insults. This version has been presented by Amy Goodman, Democracy Now!, & by Chris Matthews, MSNBC; both of these have described this version as very racist. The Playboy party woman, very blond Aryan in appearance, is shown twice from shoulders-up, no visible clothes. The second time she says "Harold, call me," as she pantomimes a telephone receiver. Many people interpret these images to Jump Jim Crow. Mr. Matthews has mentioned the Southern strategy, and how this alludes to Southerners' historical terror that "white women" might perceive "black men" as attractive, potentially leading to "race mixing".
someone else':
Ford later admitted he was at the party, saying that he likes "football and girls" and makes no apology for either. Corker condemned the second RNC ad, calling it "tacky" and stating that his campaign has asked to have it pulled.
mine:
Mr. Matthews has challenged Mr. Corker, as well as Tony Snow, to act to have the Playboy reference commercial cancelled; he has posited that Ken Mehlman has engineered these images.
Comments about handicappism, other racism, tend to get deleted, w/ no reason, no explanation.
I have learned much from wikipedia through the past few years; however, the racism is thick & plentiful.
Humanity is doing a rather bad job running itself, unless it's trying to run itself into the ground.
I do wonder which racism is worse. Despite my ambivalence, I do want each to end.
hopiakuta ; [[ <nowiki> </nowiki> { [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] } ;]] 06:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
"aritlce"?
"...damn Playboy ad,..." Such diminishment of the racism concept; you really do not comprehend the complaint {??}.
Where I use "quotation-marks", I, generally, usually, would have a "direct-quote" available. Where I don't, I'm likely paraphrasing. Learn paraphrase.
However, even quotes can be used to paraphrase, where the context implies that the usage is very individualized, not generally accepted, & where it is emphasized.
However, in either case, I'm certain that Amy Goodman & Chris Matthews had employed various derivatives of "race", "racial", "racism", "racist", et al. That, I can absolutely guarantee.
Mr. Matthews' expressions exhibited a, likely, physical pain during this discussion. I do not know why; but, this was very close to his most emotional display, on either of his shows, yet. This time, it was him, not a panelist, individually, visibly, demonstrating the emotion.
One of a very few more emotional shows had been in 2004; however, in that case, it was not Chris individually. Then, it had been Sen. Zell Miller's veins & arteries bulging as he had described duelism {not dualism; although he, obviously, believes in this even moreso}.
If you sincerely do not comprehend racism, then that is a partial explanation as to why you do not comprehend Jim Crow as a synonym. That, further, exemplifies weaklypædia's thus far incapability to confront racism, nor its subset, handicappism. It, as well, exemplifies the similar of humanity. I could, certainly, conceive as macaca emerging as not merely a racist accusation, but, also, a "racism" synonym, as macacaism.
Mr. Corker has a radio commercial with "jungle music", as well {i. e.: "Tarzan"}.
How can that refer to anything other than Africa? Do you think that he's referring to South America?
Claire McCaskill has an advertizement starring Michael Andrew Fox; Jim Talent has responded with several celebrities, including Patricia Helen Heaton. Chris has said that he has "no idea" who that is. That does cause me to wonder whether his television can tune cbs. There is much that I do like about her; but, I do dispute her insinuation in this commercial.
So, I have a complaint [each] about Mr. Matthews, as well as Ms. Heaton, both arising today.
Rush Limbaugh's comments about this have been very handicappist.
"...not set in stone and should be treated with common sense,..."
Is it weaklypædia policy that television is irrelevant? That Judith_Miller_(journalist) or New York Times must certify everything?
Everything there happened on msnbc & worldlink.
Thank You.
hopiakuta ; [[ <nowiki> </nowiki> { [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] } ;]] 02:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
an editor commented: "the source doesn't say anything about a "distastefully lavish lifestyle", only endorsements from people in L.A.; and i'm not sure wiki should be cataloguing every repub attack as a "criticism" of ford)"
You might want to check out the Corker article and see if you have the same reaction about Dem attacks being catalogued on Wikipedia. As for the reverted bit about Ford Sr.'s use of a racist term, it certainly belongs in the article due to the issue made of race during the campaign. I'll find a suitable source & reinsert. Dubc0724 22:40, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Comment above.
hopiakuta ; [[ <nowiki> </nowiki> { [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] } ;]] 02:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
An encyclopædia should be a "newspaper", but, from a more historical perspective,.... therefore, a more longterm view.
Certainly, it should endeavor to be, to te extent feasible:
Fair, to various opponents, on any relevant issue;
Balanced, in that the various perspectives should be given as much space as feasible. It is improbable to completely avoid value judgement. Claiming to be objective does not make it true; people who claim objectivity, generally are not. Where an author recognizes subjectivity she/he should admit it. Weaklypædia rarely admits that truth.
It has dipped its toe into campaign advertizing all the way up to its forehead. When someone wants to kill something that they do not agree with, they often jump to objectivity, or some other such rule. For me, the objectivity should rely heavily on balance.
Has this website suddenly run-out of space?
hopiakuta ; [[ <nowiki> </nowiki> { [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] } ;]] 03:14, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
it, however, is one of the consistent battles in which I engage, on this website. Handicappism is a subset of racism}".
Thank You.
hopiakuta ; [[ <nowiki> </nowiki> { [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] } ;]] 13:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
This edit conflict program frequently halts my writing, then, I'm not certain what to do.
hopiakuta ; [[ <nowiki> </nowiki> { [[%c2%a1]] [[%c2%bf]] [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] } ;]] 13:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Just a comment...not directed at anyone. An observation. I find it fascinating that, almost without exception, Republican candidates always tend to have more in the "controversies" section. While they may be sourced, and accurate, I don't believe relative completeness (thus fairness) is given to both sides. Some will probably claim "That's because all Republicans are corrupt!" or rubbish like that. Wikipedia does have an intrinsic bias, and I'm not sure yet if it's liberal or not. But it's there. This bias seems to cause more people to update the Republican controversies than Democrat ones. I will say that on national, presidential races, the coverage is probably more fair, as in the case of Kerry and Bush. Doctorcherokee 22:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I recently heard that there is a racist political advertisement against Harold Ford, Jr., run by Bob Corker. That is ridiculous! I am strong opponent of racism. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 07:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
The text states "If elected, Ford would be the first African-American Senator from the South since Reconstruction and the first popularly elected in United States history." Actually, Edward Brooke of Massachusetts was the first popularly elected African-American senator, in 1966, followed by Carol Moseley Braun, in 1992. If the intent is that Ford is the first African-American elected as a Senator from the South, the line is misleading and needs to be rewritten. J5cochran 06:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I must say how important that "fact" is. It really deserves to be in the article, because that's all that really matters. Any person that is not white, we have to give their racial makeup (which usually isn't the right classification if I might say so myself *not sarcasm*) and unneeded qualifiers. /sarcasm 216.229.196.116 17:07, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
I have to take issue with that.
Barack Obama --GoHawks4 06:05, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
Please add Harold Ford, Jr. to a Chrstian politican category. Harold Ford, Jr. is a very devout Christian and his political stances on inspired by Jesus Christ. 75.2.250.145 03:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I suggest that this highly uneeded (and inaccurate in my opinion) qualifier not be added in the first paragraph.
Not what I was aiming for, but uhmm.... Well, I was talking about attributing his "African-Americaness" achievement to Senator. (that qualifier) Shakam 07:02, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
he's not really black. is he multiracial or something? Joeyramoney 01:35, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
He is, but people get ticky when you try to change things dealing with African-American identified multiracials. Just take a look at the Barack Obama talk page (the archived section as well. Shakam 06:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
The page says this "NBC's Meet the Press extended an invitation for the candidates to debate on the nationally-televised show in January 2006"
Why would there be a candidate debate in January? That must be wrong. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eric.thomas (talk • contribs).
In order to be effective, the House of Representatives section needs to be categorized via year since the subject of the article has served for ten years. Real96 01:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
The grammar is a little wordy in this article. Maybe if the sentences were to be cut short as well as correct tense structure, then the article would be fine. Also, some of the references don't work. The original author should have cited the references via date, instead of placing "just links." Real96 08:09, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Speaking of minute details, Race to the Whitehouse is now 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Um... How can the sidebar to this article give Mr. Ford's occupation as "attorney"? To the best of my knowledge, he has never been admitted to the bar in any state, territory, or the District of Columbia; he has only sat for the Tennessee Bar Examination once and failed that. If that is the case, he cannot practice law in the United States, and cannot accurately be described as an "attorney". If he has been admitted to the bar in some U.S. jurisdiction, that fact should be fairly easy to document. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.192.11.224 (talk) 17:19, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
This article should be addressed in Harold Ford, Jr's wiki-article:
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/02/harold_ford.php
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I removed several links in the external links section that appeared promotional or were no longer active and then removed the tag. If anyone has objections, please let me know. Quorum816 (talk) 16:33, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Glad you are back on the show ! I enjoy your intelligence on the show of the Five! 216.186.242.147 (talk) 22:17, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
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