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Definitely Polish-French, as per Solution F, G, and H provided to enhance merit of the discussion above and make it conclusive by adding a certain standard/substance of consideration to eliminate arbitrary discretion of too limited previous choices not allowing a full consideration of the apparent only issue, but historically entrenched especially in Poland.
--Logicalgenius3 (talk) 01:16, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
-- Oliszydlowski (TALK) 12:06, 10 July 2016 (UTC)
Wow, I would've thought that by describing one of the world's most famous composers - Frédéric Chopin - as "Franco-Polish" as opposed to just "Polish" would've been totally uncontroversial... given that all reliable sources do describe in some such matter... considering that he was a naturalized French citizen, never set foot in Poland after age 21, is the child of a French father, and is known by, ye know, a French name (!).... but evidently this "debate" has been going on for years.
However, there doesn't need to be any "debate" or discussion at all. Wikipedians aren't scholars. Wikipedians aren't reliable sources. Wikipedia reflects what the sources say. End of discussion.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Frederic-Chopin
ZinedineZidane98 (talk) 14:51, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
This is really getting ridiculous... How many sources are needed before certain users stop reverting according to their own personal opinions? 2? 3? 4? 20?[1][2][3][4][5] Note how he is described on the French, German, and Spanish versions of Wikipedia.... ZinedineZidane98 (talk) 09:04, 15 July 2016 (UTC)
I find it a bit strange too that sir Chopin isn't described as being French and Polish... I've always thought he was, and I think most dictionaries describe him so... and I came here because I wanted to show to my flatmate that he's not only French but also Polish... I've read a bit the discussions above but I still don't understand how you got to this strange decision of describing him as Polish and not French too... Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopaedia, guys, not a fan magazine... 188.22.29.246 (talk) 23:27, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
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The article about Louis-Auguste Bisson states that only two photos of Chopin are known. This leads to two thoughts; 1: why isn't this fact stated in a featured article, seems pretty interesting? And 2: Why isn't the other photo shown here? FunkMonk (talk) 20:24, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
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In 'he headed for Austria', someone please insert 'again' after 'he', just for clarity and logic, since we have recently read about his debut the previous August.
thanks, David Moran
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Section on George Sand. Her full real name was Amantine Lucile Aurore Dupin, married name Dudevant. This section incorrectly states her name as Amantine Aurore Lucile Dupin. 204.84.165.4 (talk) 17:24, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
A third, previously undiscovered photo of Chopin has been found. Request permission to update title photograph as it is a better profile of the individual, directly showing the face. AquaSmite1 (talk) 19:43, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
I have it saved but I wouldn't Know where to find it now AquaSmite1 (talk) 08:34, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
www.slippedisc.com/2017/01/swiss-physicist-finds-new-chopin-photograph/ AquaSmite1 (talk) 16:41, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Is the photo not showing? AquaSmite1 (talk) 21:45, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
www.slippedisc.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/chopin-unknown-portrait.jpg AquaSmite1 (talk) 21:48, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Prefix that address with http:// instead of www. I can't post the link here with http:// for some reason AquaSmite1 (talk) 21:50, 7 February 2017 (UTC)
Though it may not be best to replace the title photo with this new one I still feel as though it has a place somewhere within the article. AquaSmite1 (talk) 09:12, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Paris should be linked the first time the name appears in the text. 2.25.149.66 (talk) 12:04, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
I'm always a little suspicious of current monetary value conversions. But surely, in 1848, after Britain's 1821 adoption of the Gold standard, a guinea was simply equivalent to 21 shillings, whatever relative value that was at the time? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:06, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
{{Inflation|UK|1.05|1848|fmt=eq|cursign=£}}
or "Error when using {{Inflation}}: |index=UKNGDPPC
(parameter 1) not a recognized index." ({{Inflation|UKNGDPPC|1.05|1848|fmt=eq|cursign=£}}
. That doesn't help much either, does it?. As usual, it would be better to find a reliable source for the current value of a Guinea from 1848. Until then, it's probably best to remove the previous (£1.05) or current (£245) attempts. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:45, 27 April 2017 (UTC)Hello fellow Wikipedians,
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Re: this recent removal. The caption clearly said: "Alleged daguerreotype of Chopin, ca 1847 (found 2017)." Isn't there sufficient doubt to suggest that this image would be of general interest to readers, whether or not it could ever be proven to be genuine? I think there was quite a bit if discussion about this image when it surfaced? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:17, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
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Hello, I would like to suggest that new information from an article published today in The Guardian be included regarding Chopin's cause of death. Medical examination of his preserved heart has lent new support to the tuberculosis hypothesis.[1] 108.84.130.26 (talk) 07:21, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
Under the Death and funeral section, it says: "In 2017, an autopsy was performed on Chopin's preserved heart...". However, this article from the Smithsonian website, "Chopin’s Preserved Heart May Offer Clues About His Death: Scientists who recently examined the organ have suggested that Chopin died of complications from tuberculosis", notes that "The team was not allowed to remove the heart from its jar...". Therefore, no autopsy could be achieved.
They also note a major break in custody: "...his heart was removed from the Holy Cross and given to the S.S. officer Heinz Reinefarth..." and not returned until after it was found in 1945. If none of the church officials were present when it was disinterred by the Nazis or if they weren't allowed to look at the organ then, how could it be identified as THE heart that was returned? I'm not suggesting that it wasn't Chopin's; I'm pointing out the possibility that it might not be.
The link to the American Journal of Medicine takes us to a small abstract clip that doesn't get to the point where the examiners made their exam or offered a conclusion. If someone is interested, the full article costs $36. Perhaps someone here has a subscription?
So, Chopin's cause of death is still not nailed down conclusively. It's true that some of the proposed conditions were unknown then. However, sadly, the people of the time (especially his doctor) had a lot of experience with tuberculosis. Now a respected team has drawn a conclusion based on seeing the actual (probable) heart. That seems to indicate a legitimate lean, at the least, towards TB with light mentions of conflicting theories. Someday, actual tissue may be obtained from the organ and a definitive cause of death found, then fine - the article can be altered to reflect that. Science works that way - make a conclusion with the evidence available, but remain flexible enough to accept a new result when new evidence comes along.
Thank you for your time, Wordreader (talk) 17:01, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
Sorry; I left out the Smithsonian link - https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/chopins-preserved-heart-may-offer-clues-about-his-death-180967168/ Thank you again, Wordreader (talk) 17:02, 12 November 2017 (UTC)
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Add one of the two versions of the following file to the listen section:
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— Preceding unsigned comment added by SpanishSnake (talk • contribs)
At the very end of the "Childhood" section, from concern about proper attribution, someone has deleted the sentence, "It was at Szafarnia that young Chopin wrote his famous Kuriery Szafarskie (Szafarnia Couriers) spoofing Warsaw newspapers." This is a very famous episode, showing the remarkable breadth of Chopin's talents (including the literary). It would be well if someone with access to a Chopin biography could provide an adequate source for this information.
Thank you.
Nihil novi (talk) 22:14, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
There is inconsistency in the text. He was born as 'Fryderyk Franciszek Chopin' and died as 'Fryderyk Franciszek Chopin' he never changed his name. Later in the text name 'Fryderyk' is used since this is the name he actually used even in France. It is English page so you can translate the name to Frederick (possibly Frederic) but Frédéric is French spelling and it should not be used here. If it was decided he was Polish composer the name should be changed accordingly to Fryderyk. You can give French and English spelling in brackets.
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I would like to put in a request to change the main featured image (1849 daguerreotype) to the 1846 daguerreotype (the information when the photograph is clicked on also reads incorrectly as saying this is the earlier of the two known, confirmed images; it is not. This one was taken 1849, portraying an especially sickly Chopin near death). The request I am making is to 1) include the photographs in a section with either both featured if keeping the 1849 Bisson, or, 2) moving this image to a section with the photographs (of significant importance) and featuirng the earlier one. The earlier image, though in worse shape, portrays a much younger, much less ill Fryderyck Chopin. Chopin 1846 Daguerreotype There is a version via a Wikimedia page Chopin 1846 Wikimedia, but I do not see why this isn't the featured image. It has been confirmed as an existing photographic image of Chopin.
It is, again, in a more deteriorated state technically speaking due to its age and being a reproduction of the original, however, its portrays the artist, one would assume, would be closer (by three years) to life than the currently-featured 1849 image (with perhaps more flattering lighting). If not clear enough, as the current featured 1849 image of Chopin has claimed to have been restored (I assume digitally), I'm sure it would be possible through digital means to reclaim some detail in this one as well.
From a photographic and historical point of view, I am reaching out and making this request. Literalmenial (talk) 04:25, 23 March 2018 (UTC)Literalmenial
I would like to make the case this is a better image of the artist to feature as a main image (or featured within the Wiki page more prominently). Literalmenial (talk) 04:24, 23 March 2018 (UTC)Literalmenial
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template. Just to make sure I understand correctly, you'd like the photograph of F.C. used now, which currently is a featured photo on Wikipedia, replaced with a less clear, but younger, healthier version? That decision would require a broader consensus, I'm afraid. Spintendo 08:26, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Would you please give some information to justify the word tumultuous. Thank you. HarWie (talk) 15:28, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
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Please add the category tag: Category:Polish classical composers Johnoandrews (talk) 02:25, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
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Please add the category tag: Polish classical composers Category:Polish classical composers
I apologize for the repeat edit request. It looks like my previous edit request was incomplete.
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Chopin was Polish but also acquired French nationality. When this article was approved as FA in 2014, it quite correctly included Chopin in both French and Polish categories where "Category XXXish [occupations]" applied. I see there has been juggling around over the years in adding or taking away categories which specify him as one or the other. The answer is perfectly clear; if while he was in France he did something which he also did while he was in Poland, he should be categorized as both Polish and French. Any attempt to remove perfectly justified categories is simply vandalism. I have restored the categories in the article to what they ought to be, I think. But of course the situation is open to discussion by editors; please discuss here.--Smerus (talk) 16:27, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Self-identification is all very fine but doesn't make nationality rules irrelevant.
Look at List of Nobel laureates in Physics and List of Nobel laureates in Chemistry and you'll see that Marie Curie is presented as Polish/Russian and French.
LouisAlain (talk) 03:25, 14 June 2018 (UTC)
I recently visited the Fryderyk Chopin Museum in Warsaw and got a shot of this lovely watch presented to the 10 year old Chopin by soprano Angelica Catalani. I thought it might be a good image for the article, but the article is pretty dense. If someone wants to make room for it, here it is:
. -- kosboot (talk) 01:29, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
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We do not know the exact date of when Chopin was born. 2001:569:7AAF:3800:5946:86A7:C3FC:A645 (talk) 01:25, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Can someone explain to me why the French variation is used here and not his native Polish, Fryderyk? I’ve never understood it. I mean, we don’t call Ludwig van Beethoven “Louis”.Trillfendi (talk) 21:49, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
To me this seems like a photo of composer and pianist Franz Liszt – see the German Wikipedia page. Also, a photo search with Google substantiates that suspicion.
Mustermaxi (talk) 14:56, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
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Change the info about his birthday as "1 March 1810" to "22 February or 1 March 1810". Considering the information from the following website: http://www.chopin-society.org.uk/articles/chopin-birthday.htm , https://www.linns.com/news/us-stamps-postal-history/2017/february/born-february-22-frederic-chopin.html , https://www.coindumusicien.com/Fredchop/enfance_anglais.html PedroFranca22 (talk) 13:20, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
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