Talk:Fish farming

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Incorrect Reference

I followed the link for the reference cited for the following: "The use of antibiotic drugs in aquaculture has decreased considerably in the last decade. Vaccinations and other techniques have virtually eliminated the need for antibiotics.[11]" The NHU does not state that antibiotics use has decreased anywhere but in their own facility, where they are doing experiments with the use of vaccinations. For those of us who may take issue with the use of antibiotics in feed lots, this is a real slap in the face to the seriousness of the subject. If there is no adequate reference for the claim that antibiotics have been virtually eliminated from fish farming, then this needs to be removed, and possibly more accurate statements added to reflect the state of fish farming today, worldwide, with respect to antibiotic use. I did not simply remove the statement or flag it, because I assumed whoever added it might have some better data, or otherwise want to update it themselves. I only know that I am a walking litmus test for antibiotics in food (I know, not a very citable source), and I can tell you that at least some farmed salmon indeed has a load of antibiotics in it (because it gives me a specific hypersensitivity reaction to the macrolide, tylosin). So, for me this is personal, but antibiotic use in feed lots is a major environmental concern, as well, and should not be dismissed with invalid comments about its virtual elimination from the practices of fish farms. Thanks, and I hope to see this updated. 69.109.114.81 (talk) 15:58, 28 August 2009 (UTC)Leha Carpenter

Much thanks to whoever rewrote the Criticism section--it is looking much more balanced and accurate now! 69.109.172.29 (talk) 15:54, 28 October 2009 (UTC)Leha Carpenter

Stressing Captive Fish

Yeah, you have to use the scientific method to determine if being kept in an area the size of a bathtub is going to drive you insane and develop neurotic tendancies? How 'bout we lock YOU in a caged bathtub and don't make a judgement to determine whether or not it's good for your mental health until we use our Oh So Special 'Scientific Method' to determine if this is psychologically draining? Scientific method my ASS! I bet 95% of these caged fish develop some form of klaustrophobia or hysteria inside their head from being kept in a fucking bathtub. It doesn't take the fucking scientific method to figure that out.

Hey, 199... I tend to agree that confined fish probably do suffer stress, but for the purposes of Wiki, anything in an article has to be documented by a reliable source. If you feel so strongly about this, why not research it a bit online and present referenced material to support your point of view? There have been studies about stress affecting farmed fish, so citing those would have more impact than raving about a process you don't agree with. Bob98133 (talk) 15:03, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Question for aquaculturalists

What do you call a female fish filled with roe (or, how do you describe such a condition)? She isn't pregnant, since the eggs have not yet been impregnated ... Could someone answer on my talk page? Thanks, Slrubenstein | Talk 23:06, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Cross posted to User_talk:Slrubenstein

Hi there, I just stumbled across your question on talk:fish farming and talk:aquaculture. When full of eggs, female salmon are gravid. I don't know if anyone beat me to it, and if it's still any use to you now, but thought I'd leave you a note. Anilocra 21:37, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

Controversy

I intergrated the pro-fish farm views in this section with the argument of those against fish farms. The previous editor provided some excellent information for the pro-fish farm view, but did not integrate it well with the rest of the text. I hope this editor, in using Wikipedia more, realizes that people on both sides of an issue need to work together to produce integrated and readable Wikipedia entries. --Simon.Pole 07:18, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I do want to know about fish farm exactly and why it is a issue. Why people want to keep fish in their farm. --Youngwook.Lee 11:41, 11 Apr 2007 (NWMSU)

Open-Ocean Aquaculture

I am hoping that someone could start a section on Open-Ocean Aquaculture (OOA). It has been called the future of fish farming. It consists of a large floating cage that is anchored in the open ocean. Jotogo 14:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

|This type of aquaculture is covered to some extent in the Mariculture article, since it takes place in the ocean. Earthdirt 13:22, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Help?

hi there..if possible, i really need an idea on how to lessen contamination...i culture nanno,and rotifer but there seems to be a problem...FILAMENTOUS ALGAE !! i'm doing fish farming with the intensive system (i'm new employee here).. is there anything i can do to uncontaminate the water?

your water filtering/re-circulating system... what are you equiped with? algae is very tough... UV has been shown to reduce algae outbreaks in culturing systems.

Transferring two sections from Aquaculture

For all of you who are watching this article:

A proposal has been put forth at Talk:Aquaculture#merging with the fish farming article to transfer two sections from Aquaculture to Fish farming. Please chime in if you feel so inclined. SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:55, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Well done

The upper right-hand menu is nicely done. What great symmetry! And one can almost see a "fish". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.169.25.180 (talk) 17:58, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

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WP:OWN

This discussion has been relocated to WikiProject Fisheries and Fishing.

Judging by the page history, User:Geronimo20 seems to own this article. If so, he should provide his credentials for keeping the page in its current sorry state. Who allowed him to rollback good-faith edits and clutter the lead with identical images? --Ghirla^-трёп- 05:40, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I have replied to this here. --Geronimo20 (talk) 08:29, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I just think that having two identical pictures in the lead, aligned left and right, is sort of... well, weird. Left-aligned images are better avoided, and there is nothing wrong with moving it into the text below. But as long as the Sochi image remains, I don't really care. --Ghirla^-трёп- 19:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I agree with you about the image, but I think the OWN accusations are not needed. See WP:NPA. I moved the image.--agr (talk) 20:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

If you think WP:OWN (or referring anyone to the page) is a vehicle for personal attacks, you should list it for deletion. As for (mis)use of rollback, see WP:ROLLBACK. --Ghirla^-трёп- 20:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

You don't seem to make sense, Ghirla. Perhaps a wikibreak would help you. And no-one used rollback. My reverts used undo and explained why in the edit summary. If you bother to actually read WP:ROLLBACK, you will find it says: "If there is any doubt about whether an edit should be rolled back... use the undo feature instead, and add a more informative edit summary explaining your revert." --Geronimo20 (talk) 22:31, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I think it would help if both of you stopped commenting on the other and returned to improving the article, which is what this talk page is for. --agr (talk) 22:37, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

What purpose is served by having the same picture twice in the same article? Geronimo20 stated that "no-one has ever complained before", well that 3 contributors just here. The same goes in all articles regarding fishing (Recreational fishing, Fishery, Fishing industry, Fishing, etc..)- Wikigi | talk to me | 23:19, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Intensive/Extensive Distinction

The parentheticals in the "major categories" of fish farms section are misleading. According to the lead-in paragraph, intensive simply means the fish are fed, not that they are in closed-containment systems. A simple counterexample is cage-farming of salmon or tuna. I'm removing the misleading parenthetical statements in those subsection headers. The bodies of the subsections will likely need further editing as well. --added by User talk:68.148.7.69 04:41, 31 Oct 2008 (UTC)

Please add the info of prawn farming, crab farming etc......

to this page --222.64.215.148 (talk) 02:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Does the service of Google engine for this topic needs to be improve....too???

Look at my this search result

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&q=prawn+farming&btnG=Search --222.64.208.67 (talk) 08:31, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&q=fisheries+farming+site%3Awww.aciar.gov.au&btnG=Search --222.64.208.67 (talk) 08:33, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&q=fish+farming+site%3Awww.aciar.gov.au&btnG=Search --222.64.208.67 (talk) 08:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&q=fish+farming+manual+site%3Awww.aciar.gov.au&btnG=Search --222.64.208.67 (talk) 08:36, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&newwindow=1&q=fisheries+farming+manual+site%3Awww.aciar.gov.au&btnG=Search

Looks like that Australia never farms fish--222.64.208.67 (talk) 08:39, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Biotechnology

We need a biotechnology section. Why? Well because the more we farm fishes, the more we realize that the current relationship is not sustainable over long term, so we need to either improve farming methods at a mechanical level (which is already covered in the article) or change our methods at a very basic, physiological level (which is NOT covered in the article).

Some things to focus on: Cloning: The PRC government is trying to increase yield of carnivorous fishes by cloning their food Genetic engineering: Increasing yield of all fishes through biotechnology, as well as survivability in different kinds of environments (Siberia, Canada etc farming anchovies) Hormonal modification: Better control of growth and reproductive systems in a way that won't impact human consumers Bacterial involvement: Lowering cost of fish food by splicing nutritive genes (for various proteins, amino acids, fats etc) needed by fish into bacteria, also antibiotics Algal involvement: (somewhat covered in the article)

The point is, a new section would help out a lot, but I'm going to have trouble doing it myself and I need some help. 99.236.221.124 (talk) 01:46, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

This article does not give information on latest research in the subject; without that, the article appears to be incomplete. Pathare Prabhu (talk) 13:36, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

How did fish evolve?

hi i amm kool —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.168.103.148 (talk) 16:42, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

I do not think this issue comes under "Fish Farming" Pathare Prabhu (talk) 13:32, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Most Popular Species

Salmon is listed before Carp; I am almost certain this is the wrong way around, carp fishing is very widespread in China and SouthEast Asia.Mandolin666 (talk) 08:54, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

It is not really clear whether carp or salmon is the most farmed species. Most of the reported carp production comes from China, and there are issues with Chinese over reporting. Maybe the article should just refer to reported production. That at least is clear, and can be properly sourced. --Epipelagic (talk) 10:23, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Specific types of fish farms

I modified this section today to also mention the more common terms "offshore" and "Flow-through" cultivation. I think the latter is the fry farming mentioned here. Perhaps it's best to check and correct the text though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.75.28 (talk) 15:13, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Major Species table data seem spurious

Spurred by User:Olaff's comment in this diff (Greasy grouper), I checked up on recorded Greasy Grouper production using FAO's query system, then went back to the 'Major Species' table in this article and double-checked a few numbers. Current sourcing is to FAO's FishStat databases, which are only accessible when using that software for extraction, so the online databases would seem preferable as sources. However, most 2010 numbers are off in a comparison; for freshwater, mildly so, for brackish and mariculture sometimes wildly. E.g., mariculture greasy grouper production for 2010 is recorded online as a piddling 596 tonnes, not 215,028 as currently in the article. So clearly there is something foul in database correspondence here (assuming the currently displayed values are indeed what the program provides). To check for yourselves, use the above query link and set parameters for "Environment" and "Species" (produces temp response files, so no permalinking is possible).

In the interest of verifiability, I would suggest sourcing the entire table from the online source, and respectively updating all values; however, the online query has no capability for sorting, so no top ten can be determined. It would be useful if the editors who filled the table could comment on this issue.-- Elmidae 12:15, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

The erroneous table was now replaced by data from the (newer) explicit FAO production table in FAO Yearbook of Fisheries Statistics (for 2013). This top list however includes almost exclusively freshwater species. --Olaff (talk) 11:11, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Cheers, that looks much better. Seems tonnages are at least in the same ballpark as listed earlier. The report does not contain principal species by culture type then? Ah well :) -- Elmidae (talk) 12:57, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

New Alchemy

As much as I appreciated and aspired to the New Alchemy Institute, the statement

use a system derived (admittedly much refined) from the New Alchemy Institute in the 1970s

does not match my memory. The Institute, as I recall, claimed to be using Israel experience in the fish farms not the other way around. I don't have any material to support my memory and so did not change the page. The use of Tilapia a middle eastern fish was because it seemed to work. The Institute would have been prone to use local fish.

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