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In the article is was stated that DM may result in male impotence. Technically this isn't quite true. DM, if sufficiently progressed, may prevent one from achieving an erection of any kind, let alone one sufficient for sexual penetration, which condition we would refer to as erectile dysfunction (ED). It does not mean, however, that said individual cannot experience sexual arousal, orgasm and ejaculation. I have not been able to determine in researching available literature whether true impotence is directly related to DM itself.
The term impotence refers to the inability to sexually perform, and while many dictionary definitions simplistically consider impotence the same as ED, the relationship is not that cut–and–dried. Impotence often has psychological origins that have nothing to do with the general health and well-being of the subject person. For example, during periods of high stress—due to money problems, acrimonious breakup with his girl friend or wife, etc.—a man may become temporarily impotent. He can't relax and "let loose," which is a necessary precursor to sexual arousal. His ability to achieve an erection has not been physiologically impeded in any way, so by definition, this would not be a case of ED.
Impotence could also result from episodes of pedophilia experienced in childhood, causing one to experience apprehension or outright fear when the possibility of sexual activity looms. In such a case, all the Viagra or Cialis in the world will be of no help.
It may be that other factors that are responsible for impotence are aggravated in some fashion by DM. Again, there is an apparent paucity of research on that matter. Obviously, the medical community's focus on DM has been one of attempting to control the disease and thus mitigate the damage it can cause, rather than that of addressing its annoying but otherwise "harmless" effects. Although younger readers might be inclined to think that inability to have an erection is indeed harmful, I can assure you—speaking from personal experience—that relative to the other things DM can do to you, not being able to get it up when sexually aroused is a minor consideration in the scheme of things.
I edited the article to remove the reference to impotence and instead directly reference ED.
Bigdumbdinosaur (talk) 17:46, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Sorry you are wrong, diabetes is caused mainly from cortisol excess, impotence too. Low testosterone levels can causes diabetes and impotence. Therefore there is a tight correlation between impotence and diabetes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.194.199.13 (talk) 22:53, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Diabetic retinopathy--165.228.190.54 (talk) 03:38, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
I'd love to see more information on the CD4T+ cells response and similar pathway for destruction of beta cells in the article. At a minimum, could we have a small section listing autoimmune response? My Doctor, 30 years ago, stated my diabetes was due to an autoimmune response. I think providing the root cause of the immune response to beta cell destruction would be beneficial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.67.81.17 (talk) 16:38, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Diabetes Is Reversible! per the webpage: Can a doctor look into this and make this news helpful to all?Bold text —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robertisonline (talk • contribs) 19:09, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
Owgh. Having diabetes increases the risk of a cancer patient dying by 40%. http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/300/23/2754 JFW | T@lk 22:50, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes, and "butter will kill you..." Statistical data applies, but don't take it as law. Individual results will vary. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.67.81.17 (talk) 16:40, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
should something be mentioned about using beta blockers with caution in diabetes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.99.86.24 (talk) 15:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
This text was removed from the article today:
This is factually wrong (the reference to storing elevated glucose as fat) and clinically wrong (diabetes mellitus is dangerous and the drugs used in its treatement are not benign). If you want this to remain in the article, please discuss it here. ww (talk) 09:22, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
From the first paragraph: "Diabetes affects aproximately 18,000,000 children and adults in the United States, and perhaps 420,000,000 persons worldwide."
From the second under "classification": "The World Health Organization projects that the number of diabetics will exceed 350 million by 2030."
It seems that one of these figure must be in gross error.
I added section about AGEs with explanation. KeithBeltham (talk) 05:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
In Signs and Symptoms, there is presently an image of a torso with various locations of complications and such, mixed with presenting symptoms and signs. Aside from mixing apples and oranges (a presenting symptom or sign might not (and isn't in some present cases) a complication), the image leaves out one of the most common and dangerous complications, diabetic ulcers, especially on the feet. This is a major cause of amputation even in the developed world with diabetics under treatment. Perhaps the image can be expanded, added to, or even replaced by a stick figure with appropriate annotations? Not satisifactory as it stands. ww (talk) 00:40, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
In the treatment section, please mention the drug AR9281 (originally found by Bruce Hammock) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.203.223 (talk) 16:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine#The diabetes quagmire for a proposal on how to organise the diabetes content on Wikipedia. Comments invited on that page please. JFW | T@lk 09:59, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
An explanation of why the top of the article is now very crowded. Article "Diabetes Mellitus" is the "main" article to which a search on "Diabetes" links. Additionally, there are over 15 related articles on diabetes. Most of them now appear in Template:Diabetes. That template needs to be at the top of the article so a user can see what other articles exist.
To accommodate many with diabetes and impaired vision (see WT:ACCESS) will have ramped up 800x600 resolution and/or have an electronic reader device. Only in very high resolution does the Diabetes template even begin to stand out unless it is placed at the top.
An alternative is to move down the article series box with the large diabetes blue circle (which should be smaller). However, that move was reverted on 7/3/09. Other suggestions welcome. Afaprof01 (talk) 04:54, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I know I havent looked at this article for years, and perhaps some of these have already been thrashed out, but what I just changed included some flatly false statements or major omissions, even for a brief intro. If I have stepped on toes or upset a delicate consensus, I apologize. If anyone needs more detail as to why a change was more accurate, please ask and I will be happy to explain. PS, I agree with keeping links to the far left or the end. alteripse (talk) 00:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
I made small changes to the intro to mention resistance. Searching google ect ... looks like consumption of saturated fat (cells saturated with saturated fat are insulin resistant) is a key problem ... lead me to "Dr. Neal Barnard's Program for Reversing Diabetes: The Scientifically Proven System for Reversing Diabetes Without Drugs" Cites peer reviewed studies ect ... as many as 80% of type 2 diabetics can come off medication if they cut out fats. Any comments?Zinbarg (talk) 16:21, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
This article has unrepresentative examples specific to the USA. The article is about a particular medical condition not a single nation. 95% of human population is not covered by these examples and also the USA has, amongst developed countries, a uniquely corrupted and socially primitive health care system and unusual population health demographics. Examples included such as the following
The American Diabetes Association reported in 2009 that there are 23.6 million children and adults in the United States—7.8% of the population, living with diabetes. While an estimated 17.9 million in the US alone have been diagnosed with diabetes, nearly one in four (5.7 million) diabetics are unaware that they have the disease
are interesting and informative but not global. What for instance are these figures internationally and how do they vary. Why should a specific locale have such prominence that the statistics stated distort the articles integrity. The articles subject is Diabetes mellitus not Diabetes mellitus in the United States. --Theo Pardilla (talk) 08:49, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
It is sure that cortisol and testosterone are the most important hormones for insulin response, I do not know why it is not possible to say that in the article? It is an essential information for readres.
The article is completely free, it is possible to watch the HTML and the PDF version of it. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6T3G-4RRFNGH-1&_user=990403&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000049942&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=990403&md5=ca14e56fabff9a1c70229fddab292929
It is an article, it is a reliable source.
I think it is very important to insert that information in order to give a correct and complete information to the readers. I hope you are agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.194.199.13 (talk) 20:51, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
No, ALL article is free (indeed the link is the COMPLETE article in HTML form, it is possible to download the PDF version too). No money for the full article. The article is focused on subclinical Cushing's syndrome (the main cause of diabetes mellitus) and not testosterone. If you want I may find citations about testosterone too.
It is not my own conclusion...it is strange that you do not know that diabetes mallitus is one of the symptoms (the main) of metabolic syndrome, it is strange that you are speaking about another article. Speaking about metabolic syndrome means speak about diabetes too. You should know that. Wikipedia should say that. Without speaking about tight cortisol-diabetes relationship, the article is misleading and it lacks of essential arguments, instead it is rich of nonscientific arguments. It is completely false and misleading to speak about diabetes mellitus without speaking about cortisol and testosterone (which is much more effective than metformin agianst diabetes, you should say that).
It is clear that you do not want to say the truth, before you invented the story of expensive article (instead it was clearly free of charge), then the story of metabolic syndrome (instead diabetes mellitus is the main symptoms of diabetes mellitus, moreover you spoke about another article). You know it is clear that diabetes mellitus is caused by subclinical Cushing's syndrome, but in order to disinformate readers (in order to buy metformin, which is unuseful against diabetes and it has also many side effects) you say it is false. When our society will be full of diabetic people you will continue with the story of metformin and diet...
Of course, in order to helps industrial pharmaceutical industries to sell unuseful drugs (as metformin in example) you do not say nothing about testosterone therapy, which completely readily recover diabetes mellitus (try and you will see it). It is clear the metformin is sold just for economic issues (testosterone is just one injection per month, common "anti-diabetic" drugs many per day).
Yes, testosterone can be used for every kind of diabetes because it decreases insulin resistance, of course in case of diabetes mellitus type 1 is always necesary to use insulin too. The use of testosterone against diabetes is not frontier science, but it is a verified therapy. Since 1932 we know that low testosterone/cortisol ratio can easily cause diabetes mellitus type 2.
For the reasons explained upward, I've edited the articli in order to make it more correct and complete. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.194.199.13 (talk) 08:24, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I have failed to find any mention of testosterone replacement therapy in any overview or information material about diabetes. It seems to be used very little or not at all in the treatment of diabetes. Also, the mention of diabetes type 2 as subclinical Cushing's syndrome doesn't seem to be supported by the part of the source that's available without subscription. Thirdly, your last edits undid several improvements to the article. For those reasons I will revert them. May I suggest that you reference textbooks, overviews of treatment options, treatment recommendations and the like, to show that what you say is generally accepted to be true?Sjö (talk) 17:17, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
you are completely wrong! There are two citations about testosterone replacement therapy (53, 54). Look better please! the article about subclinical Cushing's syndrome speaks clearly: the subclinical Cushing's syndrome can cause diabetes mellitus type 2. You reverted citations, for that reason I revert too! Stop with vandalism please! If you ewant to add informations do it, but do no delete valid informations as testosterone replacement therapy. Before reverting, control better please! And if you do not say that testosterone replacement therapy is not the best anti-diabetes therapy...study a boook of basic endocrinology instead than reverting things that you do not know (without offence). If YOU DELETE THESE INFORMATION YOU DAMEGE WIKIPEDIA AND ITS READERS! Let's stop vandalism, ok?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.194.199.13 (talk) 00:55, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Look the citations 22, 53, 54. You really can not claim about citations deficiency! If you want I can insert more citations of course, but i really think that 3 scientific articles published in higly scientific reviews are enough. I also remember you that deletion of scientific article is vandalism, so stop with vandalism please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.194.199.13 (talk) 09:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I do not understand why it is not possble to write that testosterone replacement therapy is very efficient to cure diabetes mellitus and to normalize glucose blood levels.
It is sure that usually diabetes is due to low testosterone/cortisol ratio. I do not understand why you cancel the fact that testosterone is the most safe and effective cure against diabetes mellitus —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.194.199.13 (talk) 16:54, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
Sjo is damaging the article deleting correlations between Cushing's syndrome and diabetes mellitus type 2. I ask to the administrators to stop his vandalism in order to improve Wikipedia.
The citation number 22 is an article intitled:" Is the metabolic syndrome an intracellular Cushing's state?", so the artcle confirm that the main cause of diabetes mellitus type 2 is subclinical cortisol excess then it says that cortisol play an important role in sugar absorption and diabetes, I also remeber that one of the (probably the main) symptom of metabolic syndrom is diabetes.The article later speaks about the enzyme that convert the inactive cortisone into the active cortisol, but that's not important for our discussion. If you want I can insert other articles.--158.194.199.13 (talk) 10:21, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Now it is written:"Subclinical Cushing's syndrome is associated with diabetes mellitus type 2". Exactly like the article.--158.194.199.13 (talk) 11:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
It is absolutely false!!!!Again this story... All the article ARE COMPLETELY FREE! Indeed the link are already complete article which link to the PDF version too. Read better instead than making vandalism and removing COMPLETELY FREE SCIENTIFIC ARTCLES!--158.194.199.13 (talk) 17:37, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I come from WP:3O. I am a molecular biologist (even if I do not work at all in endocrinology), so I hope to give a helpful opinion. My impressions are:
Hope it helps giving a correct frame to the dispute. I feel that the additions of the IP editor cannot be accepted as such, but it could be interesting to look for consensus about the opinion of the paper and then arrive at a correct wording for its inclusion. --Cyclopiatalk 18:21, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
First af all this is not academy but it is student dormitory...however concerning to the testosterone/cortisol issues you should know that there is full scientific consensus about it. If you do not believe: study more! You are molecular biologist, it means you should know that cortisol is the main antagonist of insulin...if you want to make professional and serious argumentations ok, if you want to say completely false and wrong things as you did: no. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.194.199.13 (talk) 03:16, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I have inserted citations, if you remove them you make vandalism and you damage wikipedia and its readers. Study more instead than make vandalism! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.194.199.13 (talk) 03:20, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
It is clear that low testosterone/cortisol ratio causes diabetes mellitus type 2, it is clear that testosterone repalcement therapy is the most safe and effective cure against this desease, it is clear some user like cyclopedia and wp...have not good faith because thay make vandalism by SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES REMOTION because probably they are paid form industries of medicines that are interested to sell low effective (but economically convenient) therapy as metformin.
In order to protect the freedom and the quality of informations and the NPOV content I ASK THE ADMINISTRATOR TO BAN OR TO STOP THAT USERS.
I also remember to the administrators that a diabetes mellitus article without cortisol/testosterone argoments is false and low scientific. If my sentences will be removed wikipedia reliability will slow down and the vandalistic remotion of articles will win... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.194.199.13 (talk) 03:43, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I've appreciated your comment, but I think you did a basic mistake: the extreme importance of low testosterone/cortisol (or also IGF-I/cortisol) ratio on diabetes mellitus type 2 development is a fact accepted from ALL SCIENTISTS AND DOCTORS! No discussion! It is not frontier science or fringe science! It is an undisputed fact since 1932. You will never find some article that denies this fact.
In order to understand this extreme importance of testosterone/cortisol on diabetes, let's consider other facts:
Fot the upward reason I really think that deleting testosterone/cortisol issues in the diabetes mellitus article is against the wikipedia pillars, because it is a lack of freedom and correctness of contents.--Testosterone vs diabetes (talk) 10:27, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
“ | The statement that all or most scientists or scholars hold a certain view requires reliable sourcing. Without a reliable source that claims a consensus exists, individual opinions should be identified as those of particular, named sources. Editors should avoid original research especially with regard to making blanket statements based on novel syntheses of disparate material. The reliable source needs to claim there is a consensus, rather than the Wikipedia editor. For example, even if every scholarly reliable source located states that the sky is blue, it would be improper synthesis to write that there is a scientific consensus that the sky is blue. | ” |
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Sorry the artcles that you vandalistically removed speak clearly: cortisol excess (even subclicical) causes diabetes mellitus, testosterone replacement therapy is very effective versus diabetes mellitus type 2. There is full scientific consensus on it. It is excatly what I wrote in the article. The articles are very reliable, if you say no it means you have no good faith.
PS: Here we do not talk about ourselves, it is not important who you are or who I' am, what I do or what you do. We do not care if you study protein folding or glucocorticoid's receptor because it is not a forum.--158.194.199.13 (talk) 13:44, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
“ | Cross-sectional studies have demonstrated an association between low testosterone and T2DM since the early 1990s (Ding et al., 2006a;Corona et al., 2008e, 2009a). Some authors (Simon et al., 1997) have questioned this association because of the reduction in sex hormone binding globulin induced by the condition of insulin resistance, observed in diabetic subjects. However, others have demonstrated not only a reduction of total testosterone but also a decrease of both bioavailable and free testosterone in patients with diabetes mellitus (Barrett-Connor, 1992; Kapoor et al., 2007a; Corona et al., 2008e, 2009a). Following these studies, several longitudinal studies reported that a lower androgen milieu increased the risk of developing diabetes and vice versa (Tibblin et al., 1996; Haffner et al., 1996; Stellato et al., 2000; Oh et al., 2002; Laaksonen et al., 2004; Corona et al., 2008e, 2009a; Kupelian et al., 2006; Derby et al., 2006; Laaksonen et al., 2005; Rodriguez et al., 2007). Furthermore, it has been reported that, in T2DM, androgen deficiency is commonly associated with an impaired gonadotropin response, leading to hypogonadotropic hypogonadism (Dhindsa et al., 2004; Corona et al., 2006a). | ” |
Not exactly what the IP is pushing for (it doesn't say that it is "the most important hormone" involved), but it seems there is a wide discussion on the subject and a broad consensus on the involvement of the hormone. --Cyclopiatalk 14:42, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but they confirm what I say, they also confirm the high importance of the cortisol and testosterone levels on the diabetes development. You will never find something like:"testosterone and cortisol are not involved in the sugar absorption", "cortisol excess can not cause diabetes mellitus"... If you want to change the words in my edits in the article, do it without deleting the basic meaning and the citations of course. --Testosterone vs diabetes (talk) 15:25, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
In the (ex) citation 22 there is the sentence:"subclinical Cushing's syndrome is associated with diabetes mellitus"! It is also written that testosterone replacement therapy is very effective against diabetes mellitus. As I thought you revert citations and make this article mutilated. You make vandalism and with arogance you menace me (you can do edit war and me not? you do edit war not me). I think it is enough to write it. All this vandalism happens just because doctors are paid to prescribe noneffective (but higly remunerative, that's important for industries) drugs as metformin.--Testosterone vs diabetes (talk) 16:25, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Here is some link, but there are many others:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19444934?ordinalpos=2&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum (leterally" low testosterone levels are associated with an increased risk of type 2 diabetes mellitus, dramatically illustrated by androgen deprivation in men with prostate carcinoma),
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18832284?ordinalpos=9&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum (title: "Low testosterone and the association with type 2 diabetes"),
http://tde.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/34/5_suppl/97S
I think there is big scientific consensus about the big importance of cortisol and testosterone levels on diabetes mellitus onset, and about the high safety and effectiveness of testosterone replacement therapy versus this disease. --158.194.199.13 (talk) 17:58, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Ok, a quick PubMed found this which is interesting read on the subject. I am gonna read it as soon as I can. --Cyclopiatalk 18:52, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
From my point of view there is the full scientific consensus about testosterone/cortisol involvment on diabetes mellitus development. It is very clear that there is tight correlationship between low testosterone levels and diabetes mellitus, this correlationship however is not very tight (it means that castrated people run higher risks of diabetes mellitus, but they can also not have diabetes mellitus). It is sure that subclinical Cushing's syndrome is more related with diabetes mellitus (it is very difficult to have high cortisol levels for long time without diabetes, but when there is cortisol excess there is also testosterone deficiency), anyway there are discussions focused on the percentage of subclinical Cushing's syndrome on the diabetic population. It seems that this percentage is higher than previously believed.--Testosterone vs diabetes (talk) 19:32, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
From my point of view sentences like "there have been studies suggesting..." are not the maximum but it is better than nothing. Tomorrow I will write something like that, or if you want you may also start--Testosterone vs diabetes (talk) 19:52, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I've had a look to the review I found above. It seems a recent and good assessment of the consensus on the matter. I quote below what I think are the most important sentences there found (T2D = type 2 diabetes, IR=insulin resistance, T=testosterone):
The last two quotes comes from the conclusion. Emphasis mine: it seems apparent that there is considerable discussion and hypothesis on the thing, but no clear definitive consensus. It seems that what we can say is that: there is for sure some kind link between testosterone deficiency and T2D; androgen therapy has produced promising results 'in hypogonadal subjects but it is still uncertain if it is a solid therapy; the mechanism of the relationship is still being debated and while a lot of studies go in the same direction, the thing is far from being set in stone. I therefore, on this basis, support inclusion of the material in the article, in the following way:
I hope this helps in settling the issue. I invite editors which have access to the paper (which I don't think is free,unfortunately), to look it themselves to assess the situation. --Cyclopiatalk 23:28, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I edited the page, I hope you like it. I think there are just things which are full accepted from the science.--Testosterone vs diabetes (talk) 20:42, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
At the moment the additions made are completely overstating the possible link between testosterone and diabetes. This article aims to discuss both types of diabetes, with more information going into subarticles. On the whole, hypogonadism is not a leading cause of diabetes and diabetics are not screened for hypogonadism. The article presently lists a number of causes of diabetes, and it would stand to reason that Cushing's and hypogonadism are both mentioned there, supported by a single reference that is ranked as high-quality by WP:MEDRS. The whole concept of testosterone:cortisol ratio is really quite novel and certainly not employed widely in practice. JFW | T@lk 21:20, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Please provide one good source, ideally a review in a high impact factor journal, that would support your views. Whether you're a PhD student or a member of the Russian border guard is completely irrelevant - you haven't seen my credentials either; please let facts speak for themselves. JFW | T@lk 21:41, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Look up! Are you blind? --Testosterone vs diabetes (talk) 17:31, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I was bered...sorry. Sometimes I'm log out and I do not know why.--Testosterone vs diabetes (talk) 18:38, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes, there is a tight correlationshipe between low (free especially) testosterone levels and T2D (it is very difficult to find diabetic patients with good free testosterone levels). Of course the moleculr mechanisms are not well known (trasductions patways, receptor folding, receptor CAG repeats, interactions with other hormones...) of teststerone, but we can decleare that indeed this correlation exists.--Testosterone vs diabetes (talk) 14:28, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
It is evident that wikipedia helps profit associations and it wants to improve the business of drug industries. Otherwise there are no explanations about this incredible events:
Sorry deletion of scientific articles is vandalistic! For example Cyclopedia is a correct user with a good faith, he did not know about cortisol and testosterone, when I saw the article he was agree with me. Relationships about cortisol/testosterone and diabetes are NOT opinions. They are facts! And who try to delete that articles is censor! --Testosterone vs diabetes (talk) 18:06, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Chyclopia you should have some form of schizophrenia because we (me and you) were agree with the changes, so if you were coerent (it seems defenitely not) you should say that the authors (like you too) that remove citations are simply vandals. Moreover you removed sentences that WERE NOT redundant (as you told) like the hormones related with insulin respond (not cortisol and testosterone only). I reinsert that sentences. I also would like to insert a sentece taken by an italian book of hormones, but I do not know if it is possible.--Testosterone vs diabetes (talk) 14:28, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Reading the article is similar to listen a mantra. Always it repeats how it is important to control cholesterol levels! But how? Are there correlations between diabetes mellitus and cholesterol levels? NO!. There are no scientific articles about it! I do not understand why wikipedia always says lies in order to help food industries to sell unnecessary and expensive products!
Are we sure that high carb diet causes T2D? There are no articles that show a significant correlation.
Are we sure that low carb diet helps insulin respond and therefore glucose blood level normalization? It is true the contrary! Low carb diet increases cortisol levels (cortisol avoid hypoglycemia) and therefore insulin resistance!
I think it is necessary to remove all the sentences like that! And whatever is not scientifically established--Testosterone vs diabetes (talk) 15:16, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
What do you say? I've never removed comments--Testosterone vs diabetes (talk) 15:27, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I could not know. I started my edit on the latest version, during my writing you inserted your comment, then (again I was not editing your version) I have made my edit without your comment--Testosterone vs diabetes (talk) 15:50, 1 November 2009 (UTC). Just a time issue. |
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