Talk:Cult wine

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Downgrade to mid; I'd argue that the 'cult wine' thing is largely a local US phenomenon - some of the right-bank Bordelais growers and elsewhere may be joining in the fun, but they're largely selling to US buyers.

And 'cult' implies a lack of public recognition, IMO the Medoc first growths are not cult wines, they're long-recognised 'classic wines'. And a key part of the cult wine thing seems to be to drive up prices by restricting production to a few hundred cases, whereas the first growths produce 1000's if not 10,000's of cases. A random Google turns up http://www.wineloverspage.com/oxford/cult07.phtml a lot of which I can agree with. FlagSteward 14:39, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Although we do not tend to name them cult wines over here, I still think the five first growths belong to that category. Recently tasted one... Good, but that's it... I just do not see why they cost sometimes as much as 500%+ more as a good table wine from the same region. In my opinion, this gives them 'cult' status. Château Pétrus (no first growth, by the way) has its reputation from it's small area of growth and the careful tending of the vines... Maybe there the price might be justified to a certain point. Same goes in part for Romanée Conti, but this again I would consider to be a cult wine for its deliberate scarcity and mode of delivery (only one of it in a box of 12). This makes it the most expensive wine ever. Definitely cult. --Tprosser (talk) 11:42, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

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Concerns about sources for brands named

Currently, the article has a paragraph:

California cult wines refers to any of the California wines "typically but not exclusively Napa Valley Cabernets" for which collectors, investors and highly enthusiastic consumers will pay very high prices.The producers of such wines include Araujo, Bryant Family, Caymus, Colgin Cellars, Dalla Valle Maya, Diamond Creek, Dominus Estate, Dunn Howell Mountain, Grace Family, Harlan Estate, Hundred Acre, Kistler, Saxum Vineyards, Marcassin, Ovid, Scarecrow, Screaming Eagle, Opus One, Shafer Hillside Select, Sine Qua Non and Sloan.

None of the brands are referenced back to a cited source. Also, note that many of the wine brands either lack any wiki link, or they point to a red link (non-existent page). I have some concerns about how the brands are appearing here (perhaps as a marketing or promotional effort), and if left unchecked there is also a danger of the list becoming a really, really long laundry list that can't be maintained effectively. For example, while the press in the late 1990's and early 2000's would mention Bryant Family as a cult wine, I haven't seen it mentioned as such in years. Anyone else have thoughts on this? Esperto di vino (talk) 18:10, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

The problem is that this year's cult wine is sometimes next year's old news -- combine the fickleness of the marketplace with the nebulous definition of "cult wine," and you've got a bad list, as it's really easy to add names and there's a reluctance to remove them. For example, I'd say that Caymus, Opus, Dunn, and Dominus don't belong on the list due to production volume alone (Opus is 25,000 cases. Dominus is 7,500-12,000. Caymus is around 40,000 cases. Dunn might squeak in, they make around 4,000 cases a year.); my rule of thumb is "if you can find the wine in a well-appointed grocery, it's not really a cult wine," but that's a pretty cruddy rule to apply globally (my "well-appointed grocery" might be someone else's "store filled with stuff I can never find," after all). Perhaps we just need a definition of "cult wine" that would let us trim the list down. As for red links... well, we can and should just add pages for the linked wineries. Tthaas (talk) 13:37, 25 July 2012 (UTC)