Talk:Christianity in China

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Christianity in China article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic. New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help. Assume good faith Be polite and avoid personal attacks Be welcoming to newcomers Seek dispute resolution if needed Article policies Neutral point of view No original research Verifiability

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Archives: 1, 2

This article is rated B-class on Wikipedia's content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:

China High‑importance China portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject China, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of China related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks. High This article has been rated as High-importance on the project's importance scale. Christianity: China Mid‑importance Christianity portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Christianity on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks. Mid This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale. This article is supported by Christianity in China work group (assessed as Top-importance).

Text and/or other creative content from this version of Christianity in Shanxi was copied or moved into Christianity in China with this edit on August 5, 2014. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

Archives

Archive 1 Archive 2

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 14 January 2020 and 1 May 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Gdietri. Peer reviewers: Sydovertoo.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 19:02, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 20 August 2018 and 14 December 2018. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): RteboutIII.

Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 17:38, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Persecution

There is a serious need for specific documentation of the cases many of which are widely reported and a more systematic approach to its description. Currently the article reads somewhat like a Chinese government bulletin. I have added one recent instance in Henan. Cpsoper (talk) 20:46, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 6 external links on Christianity in China. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20101217112014/http://islamicpopulation.com/asia/China/China_integration%20of%20religious%20minority.pdf to http://www.islamicpopulation.com/asia/China/China_integration%20of%20religious%20minority.pdf
• Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.chinaaid.org/2016/04/church-leaders-wife-dead-after-buried.html
• Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.persecution.org/2016/04/19/chinese-church-leader-and-wife-buried-alive-while-blocking-demolition-of-church/
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20150925123928/https://baylor-ir.tdl.org/baylor-ir/bitstream/handle/2104/9326/WANG-THESIS-2015.pdf?sequence=1 to https://baylor-ir.tdl.org/baylor-ir/bitstream/handle/2104/9326/WANG-THESIS-2015.pdf?sequence=1
• Corrected formatting/usage for http://macaudata.com/macauweb/Encyclopedia/html/44907.htm
• Corrected formatting/usage for http://www.gio.gov.tw/taiwan-website/5-gp/yearbook/22Religion.htm

When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true or failed to let others know (documentation at {{Sourcecheck}}).

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 21:40, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Christianity in China. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20141231234412/http://www.china-zentrum.de/fileadmin/redaktion/RCTC_2013-3.18-43_Wenzel-Teuber_2012_Statistical_Update_on_Religions_and_Churches_in_China.pdf to http://www.china-zentrum.de/fileadmin/redaktion/RCTC_2013-3.18-43_Wenzel-Teuber_2012_Statistical_Update_on_Religions_and_Churches_in_China.pdf
• Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20160303184353/http://www.china-zentrum.de/fileadmin/redaktion/RCTC_2012-3.29-54_Wenzel-Teuber_Statistical_Overview_2011.pdf to http://www.china-zentrum.de/fileadmin/redaktion/RCTC_2012-3.29-54_Wenzel-Teuber_Statistical_Overview_2011.pdf

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

• If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
• If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 11:59, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Expanding 7th century church history until Timur

The Church of the East had quite an extended history into China until it was physically extinguished by Timur as mentioned in the Church of the East article, expansion section. I'm surprised to find no mention of Timur or the expansive presence of the church prior to his time. --

the article on Timur says he did not reach China. The Church of the East is covered at the start of the "History" section Rjensen (talk) 04:54, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

Split

This article is long enough that it can be split. I would propose the whole "History" section could be moved to a another article "History of Christianity in China". Sesroh Fo Maerd I (talk) 04:54, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Opposed but persuadable. The article is now something like 8,000 words, which according to WP:LENGTH is long enough to split but not long enough to require it.

My big worry -- big worry! -- is that splitting too often is done without reworking all the new articles and re-editing the original, leaving some of them incoherent or much less useful. Will you promise to put in this work? That is, not just splitting but reworking?

There is a big advantage to the reader to see the history, which puts today's situation in a different context. On the other hand, you are right that it take time for the reader to go through the history to get to today.

Do you have in mind topics that should be added? If so, the article could be tightened to make room.

In any case, thanks for bringing the topic up.ch (talk) 16:47, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Source 120 Christian-post seems to be a biased source

Christian-post is not a reliable source but a far right magazine. I propose to check for any reliable source or otherwise remove the claim that Chinese welfare recipients were forced to replace crucifixes and should instead display Mao pictures. I did a bunch of research and I only found far right conservative leaning sources to support this claim but they don’t tell how they created that news. I don’t find original sources NotHawking (talk) 18:12, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Citation number 100 is broken

http://society.people.com.cn/n/2014/0805/c1008-25408758.html

Page 404's BetweenCupsOfTea (talk) 08:16, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Does this Topic Name Need Changing?

I have noticed that there is a large section of this document that is not about Christianity in China, but religion in general. Should the name of the document be changed to religion in China, or should the information about other religions in China be moved to separate sections of their own? 184.146.62.141 (talk) 13:38, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Evidence of Christianity in China in the first century CE

In an edit, I've removed references to Christian art and iconography being present in China in the first century CE. Academically, this is an extremely fringe view. The citations on the page to this effect all pertained to speculative proposals by a single "retired professor" formerly from Nanjing Theological Seminary, named Wei-Fan Wang (sometimes Anglicized as Wang Weifan).

Specifically, the only research by Wei-Fan Wang that makes this claim and is even publicly available at all is a pre-print of an essay of theirs that was purported to be forthcoming in a volume published by the "Liturgical Research Centre Publications (LRC)." While this publisher is affiliated with the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church — which is a real branch of the Eastern Catholic Church, representing over 3,000 parishes in India — it can hardly be said that this represents a mainstream scholarly source that specializes in art history; and there's no indication whatsoever it's been peer-reviewed. Further, there's no evidence that the same person ever published related research in any other mainstream or peer reviewed academic source, either.

Consequently, I've changed the first line from "Christianity in China has been present since at least the 1st century and has gained a significant amount of influence during the last 200 years" to "Christianity in China has been present from the early medieval period and has gained a significant amount of influence during the last 200 years," reflecting the accepted historical views mentioned later in the article. Further, the tiny section "Han dynasty art" consisted of only two sentences, and these also pertained solely to the retired professor's fringe theory (with links to a couple of "puff pieces" on this from fringe online news sites); so I've removed those as well. Ostensibly1 (talk) 06:58, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Can't find an online version of Keung, Cheng Fing source for the quote

Source 20 is only a reference to a book. I look up Cheng Fing and found what seems to be the source, a journal, but that has been running since 1947. I can't find the specific article this source refers to. Can someone find the source? Thank you. Niccy26 (talk) 12:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)