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The metropolitan population of Chennai is estimated to be 8.24 million. I guess the present population must have definitely crossed 8.5 million, after I made a small calculation. If the proportion of Chennai's UA population to the population of Kanchipuram and Tiruvallur districts for 2011 is going to be the same as in 2001, the population will be more than 8.5 million. Anyway we have to wait till the release of the rural-urban breakup. So it's better we stick with this 8.24 figure till official figures are released. --Commander (Ping Me) 15:30, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
- yes i agree. it should be only a few months before we get the 2011 full official data release--Sodabottle (talk) 16:03, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm really surprsised that no one has discussed this issue after the release of provisional population results. As we all know that Bangalore overtook Chennai after the massive expansion of city limits, which made Chennai the fifth most populous city. Now Kolkata's population has declined in the last decade. Chennai is now the fourth largest city in India after Mumbai, Delhi and Bangalore. I'm not sure about Hyderabad, since the figures provided by the authorities correspond to the 2001 city limits. Also the population of Surat is projected to be 5 million, but still an estimate. --Commander (Ping Me) 17:37, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- Could you kindly provide sources? If Chennai is the fourth largest city, it certainly deserves proper mention. Thanks!! Secret of success (talk) 14:07, 16 July 2011 (UTC)
Can any one please help to provide the latest sources, As its a FA it need to be updated every time.
- Lead section countain statement The city is India's second largest exporter of software, information technology (IT) and information-technology-enabled services (ITES). and source are 8 and 9 which are the out dated/old sources related to the claim, and need to be updated with latest or should be corrected with the year(2007 or 2008) when the city was in lead.
- another statement in the lead section says Chennai accounts for 60 per cent of the country's automotive exports and sources are 10, 11 and 12 which are again out dated/old sources(2005/07) related to the claim, and need to be updated with latest statistics or should be corrected with the year(2005 or 2008) saying ''in 2007 Chennai accounts for 60 per cent of the country's automotive exports.regards,--Omer123hussain (talk) 05:07, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
- As per this source, Chennai is still the second largest IT hub. I can still quote more sources. It is a well known fact that Chennai is "The Detroit of Asia". Will look for more sources for this claim too. --Commander (Ping Me) 17:40, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
- Well It shall be appriciable if you can provide some authentic sources, but I hope the article should go for feature article review by the administrator, as it contain lot of out dated sourses to be claimed the status, heading towards WP:NPOV.
- Dont know who placed this info does it meet Feature article status: "According to an A.C. Nielsen survey, Chennai is regarded as the second cleanest city in India.[7]".
- The very first source in lead section. Is this an authentic source to support the world wide claim and that to in lead section "and also the world's 36th largest metropolitan area.[4]".
- Can any one provide the latest source for the claims in the lead section "Chennai is the fourth most populous metropolitan area and the fifth most populous city in India".
- Well I hope somebody could take it seriously and do the needful,:) regards.--Omer123hussain (talk) 08:46, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- Chennai is the fifth largest city and fourth largest Metropolitan area according to the 2001 census. Since 2011 figures are yet to be released, we cannot provide any latest sources. Only official sources can be used to determine the population of cities. --Commander (Ping Me) 09:25, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- Well in this case we should specify the year of its peak, rather leaving it for review, regards.--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:49, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- Chennai is the fifth largest city and fourth largest Metropolitan area according to the 2001 census. Since 2011 figures are yet to be released, we cannot provide any latest sources. Only official sources can be used to determine the population of cities. --Commander (Ping Me) 09:25, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
I've got a couple of sources supporting the fact that Chennai is the Detroit of Asia . Secret of success Talk to me 17:06, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
- "Chennai accounts for 60 per cent of the country's automotive exports," no source support this sentence in the article.--Omer123hussain (talk) 12:38, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
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can any administrator look into the lead section and advice for there outdated sources as per ranking claims,
- before moving it to related sections or naming those with there year of ranking, i want to first discuss it here and have the admin and other editors consensus.
- Kindly advise if we can name the year of its ranking with the claims, or shall we discuss the ranking in the related sections only. Is it okay if we tag a "citation needed template" with the unsourced information.
- "Chennai accounts for 60 per cent of the country's automotive exports,"(published in 2007).
- "Chennai had a population of 4.34 million in the 2001 census within the area administered by the Corporation of Chennai and an extended metropolitan population of 6.5 million.[4] a The urban agglomeration of metropolitan Chennai has an estimated population over 8.2 million people.[5]" (Where as both the source gives different figures).
- "The city is India's second largest exporter of software, information technology (IT) and information-technology-enabled services (ITES).[6][7]" (In which year? sources are bit old since 2008)
- "The Tamil film industry, currently the second largest film industry in India, is based in Chennai.[13]" (in what terms?).--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:32, 15 October 2011 (UTC)--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:32, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
- Its perfectly all right to add tags of citation if you cannot find a source. For now, I replaced the 1st and 3rd query with new sources. About 2, we have to wait till the new census is released as the city's population cannot be stated with any other source. And for point 4, I'm yet to find references ;). If you can help, you are most welcome to do so. Secret of success Talk to me 16:10, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
- I think the references supporting the Tamil film industry seem fine as they cover a wide range of criteria. Both are updated sources, which we require at the moment, and they specifically state second largest as well. Unless a contradictory one is found, it is useless to make changes regarding this issue. Secret of success Talk to me 16:36, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
- Its perfectly all right to add tags of citation if you cannot find a source. For now, I replaced the 1st and 3rd query with new sources. About 2, we have to wait till the new census is released as the city's population cannot be stated with any other source. And for point 4, I'm yet to find references ;). If you can help, you are most welcome to do so. Secret of success Talk to me 16:10, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
Chennai Name
It is recorded that
- ' The first official use of the name Chennai is said to be in a sale deed, dated 8 August 1639, to Francis Day of the English East India Company'.
- But it is well known that the name 'Chennapattinam' was officially changed as Chennai in the year 1996 only.
- Therefore, the first statement may not be correct. The wording 'is said to be in a sale deed' shows uncertainty adding to confusion.
The use of name ' Chennai' was in Tamil only prior to official notification making it mandatory in other languages also.
K.Ramadurai 23:09, 12 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jambolik (talk • contribs)
I removed the example farm tag from the "Education and healthcare" section after clearing up the "excessive" listings of institutions and the "Healthcare" content for renaming the section. Improper sources are a major reason for the bad quality of the article. Hope it isn't objectionable to anyone. Secret of success Talk to me 10:02, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
I've just deleted a section in the name of Chennai/Madras which is openly self-contradictory. It stated that Madras was an exonym whilst at the same stating that the origin of the name Madraspattinam was unknown.
If the etymology of the name is unknown, how can you state confidently that it is an exonym? Also I read that Indian Dravidianists thought that Madraspattinam had a good Dravidian etymology meaning something like "port of honey" whilst Chennai is the name without good etymology? The section on Madraspattinam being of Portuguese origin also seems thoroughly dubious - Madraspattinam was immediately to the north off Fort St George whereas Sao Tome de Meliapore where the Portuguese settlement was was well to the south, and the etymologies strike me as unconvincing.
Are there any Dravidianists around who can comment on this?--Cthulhu Rising (talk) 16:42, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
Linking of Tamil word Chenni to the name of Chennai city is not appropriate. There should be only two valid reasons. First, the land was purchased from Chennappa Naicken's son, this is historical. Second, the name could have been got from the name of a Temple existed in the area 'Chennakesava Perumal Koil'. Chennakesava is name of the deity and Tamil language has nothing to do with it. Chennakesava temples are existing in Karnataka which are ancient than the history of chennai temple. We can not try to apply Tamil word 'Chenni' to the name of deity in those Karnataka Temples.K.Ramadurai (talk) 16:47, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
It is a fact that it will be an endless list if all VIPs and VVIPs are to be shown. What I wanted to mention is about Presidents of Indian Union only being the highest and most respectable office in the Nation.K.Ramadurai (talk) 15:49, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
I have set an auto archive for this page per request on my talk. Any discussion older tha 60 days will be archived. Feel free to change the setting. — Abhishek Talk 13:28, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
I am nominating this article for an FA review as it has stayed in this state for a really long time and users will get a boost to fix it only if it is nominated and is on the verge of losing the status. The longer we postpone it, the worse it will become. Many issues have been fixed but some still remain, so I require the help of the reviewer to solve them. Delhi and Mumbai have lost their FA statuses and Kolkata is undergoing a review, and has been in standstill for a long time. X.One SOS 15:35, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
The area of Chennai has officially expanded to 426 sq.km. The bill has been passed by the legislative assembly in 2004 (http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article2745099.ece) and (http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/article2745099.ece). I have updated it. Please comment if any. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stausifr (talk • contribs) 10:29, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
- The population for the new area has not released. Let's wait till the FA review gets over. Cheers. X.One SOS 13:53, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
- The population for the expanded area is 5.6 million according to the 2001 census. A brief explanation regarding this is already presented in the article. —Vensatry (Ping me) 14:01, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
- The population of the expanded area till 2011 is deduced to be 9 million. But there isn't any official release from the Chennai corporation. We'll have to wait for it. But the area expansion is in force already. Even the police commissionerate has been expanded to the needs. Hence making the Chennai commissionerate the biggest in India(I'll soon include the reference for this as well).-tausif r (talk) 08:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
- Ummm, I don't think it's true. The population of the Chennai Metropolitan area itself is 8.9 million :) —Vensatry (Ping me) 18:30, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
- I am not sure about the population but the commissionerate in terms of stations, Chennai is the biggest in the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stausifr (talk • contribs) 11:04, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
- Ummm, I don't think it's true. The population of the Chennai Metropolitan area itself is 8.9 million :) —Vensatry (Ping me) 18:30, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
- The population of the expanded area till 2011 is deduced to be 9 million. But there isn't any official release from the Chennai corporation. We'll have to wait for it. But the area expansion is in force already. Even the police commissionerate has been expanded to the needs. Hence making the Chennai commissionerate the biggest in India(I'll soon include the reference for this as well).-tausif r (talk) 08:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
- The population for the expanded area is 5.6 million according to the 2001 census. A brief explanation regarding this is already presented in the article. —Vensatry (Ping me) 14:01, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Adding script in the lead for majority articles especially including cities, states are necessarily meant for conveying or making understand for all non-english names how it is being represented in native languague. The only way to do is add native scripts in the articles. I agree that in the recently closed discussion on this, people bring some valid discussion against adding scripts. There is also a good enough reason for that. There are specific articles which has some complexity to include all scripts or one or totally none. But see that all these specific articles are more in number dealing individuals or single personalities. So applying the same formula on articles dealing or focusing the nativity like states, cities or towns is doing injustice to it. I may wish to know what makes those to remove script from here. I want to know on what view point they want to remove tamil script from this article. The complete need for creating articles in this encyclopedia forum is include and convey information in its broadest sense. ---- Ungal Vettu Pillai (talk) 17:42, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
This discussion is to stop the edit warring going on about Spoken languages and ethnicity. I think we should start by analyzing the resources that we have. There are two sources provided about telugu. The times of India article says that telugu speakers form the majority among non tamil in the state. It does not say anything about chennai. The hindu article says that the population of chennai is composed of telugu people. It does not mention anything about telugu language. Coming to ethnicity, my opinion is that the info box should include only the characteristics of the city. I am not sure how much is ethnicity a characteristic of a city. --Anbu121 (talk me) 05:17, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- I am against adding that, primarily due to the fact that "other spoken languages" is a vague parameter and does not mean that only the majority among the non-Tamil group should be included. Even Kannada, Malayalam and Hindi are spoken by a significant percentage of the population, even if it is nowhere near the Telugu population. X.One SOS 05:41, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- Ummm, then I can say parameters like "official languages" are also vague. What about ethnicity? Has it got anything to do with a city? Is this a BLP or an article about a country? If you think "spoken languages" as vague, I see no reason for ethnicity to be included here. —Vensatry (Ping me) 12:47, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- I would consider not including ethnicity for 2 reasons. One is that it doesn't explain anything significant about the city. Another is that, I think 'Dravidian' is the ethnicity and not 'Tamil'. I would also opine for not including Telugu as it is already explained in the prose and the fact that it lacks proper sources. --Anbu121 (talk me) 12:56, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- Just to add to my previous post, there is nothing like an official language for a city to my knowledge (Correct me if am wrong!). Generally the official language of a city/district would be the corresponding language of its respective territory. Besides, I see no special reason to include that in the infobox. Like you said, it can be defined in the "culture", "Administration" or "Demographics" sections. Take the case of Seattle (the one which doesn't have a field for "languages"), where apart from English, Spanish and other Asian languages are being spoken by a sizeable population. Chennai is neither a Province nor a UT (like Delhi, Pondicherry) by itself. So I would suggest, we better remove both.
- I would consider not including ethnicity for 2 reasons. One is that it doesn't explain anything significant about the city. Another is that, I think 'Dravidian' is the ethnicity and not 'Tamil'. I would also opine for not including Telugu as it is already explained in the prose and the fact that it lacks proper sources. --Anbu121 (talk me) 12:56, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- There is no online data available for cities. Census libraries must be having them. There is a report from the CMDA stating there is a "sizeable population speaking Telugu in the city". —Vensatry (Ping me) 13:24, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- The Chennai corporation website is currently down, but I think the corporation does have official language. If the Govt. of Tamil Nadu defines the official language, it is applicable through out the state, and for a person who doesn't know that Chennai is in Tamil Nadu, it becomes an important piece of encyclopedic information. --Anbu121 (talk me) 14:09, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- The same report also says "Since Madras (presently Chennai) was the capital of the erstwhile Madras Presidency covering most of the areas now under the states of Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Kerala it has inherited a mix of languages [viz. Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam]." X.One SOS 14:38, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- The Chennai corporation website is currently down, but I think the corporation does have official language. If the Govt. of Tamil Nadu defines the official language, it is applicable through out the state, and for a person who doesn't know that Chennai is in Tamil Nadu, it becomes an important piece of encyclopedic information. --Anbu121 (talk me) 14:09, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
It looks like you haven't got my point or pretend as if you didn't get anything. It says there is a sizeable Telugu Population. I am not saying only Tamils and Telugus live in the city. There is a small population of Parsis in the city. This noway implies that it is a major language. My point is Telugu is predominant among the minorities. The other languages are no way near to it.
- Comment to previous postThe Chennai High court has an official language (not Tamil). But why do we have fields for "Country", "State" at the top of Infobox. I guess that's sufficient for a reader to understand that Chennai is located in Tamil Nadu, India and the official language is Tamil. Take the case of Pondicherry (UT consisting if Pondicherry, Karaikal, Yanam and Mahe). Each of the administrative units of Pondicherry have different set of languages. It's Tamil and French for Pondy and Karaikal; Telugu, French for Yanam; Malayalam, French for Mahe. It would be worthwhile mentioning the languages for these places as they have different languages even though they are under a single UT (ignore the geographic entities). But that's not the case for Chennai. —Vensatry (Ping me) 19:59, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
- Adding to our confusion, this article Official_languages_of_India says 'Tamil' is the only official language of Tamil Nadu and not 'English'. --Anbu121 (talk me) 02:27, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
- Please do not withdraw out-of-topic here and bad faith assumptions lead nowhere. If Pondicherry's instance is not the same as that of Chennai, then why was it brought up here in the first place? Regarding the Malayalam population, this is proof for the abounding influence of the group in Chennai. Further, one of the reports in the article says that Kannadigas share a number equal to that of 1/3rd of the Telugu population. How can they not be a major group if Telugus boast of that status? X.One SOS 10:23, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
- This isn't out-of-topic. The Hindu article mentions only that the CM of Kerala stating "Chennai is a home away from home" for the Malayalis while inaugurating "The Kerala House", which is managed by the KTDC. It neither talks about their influence nor statistical figures showing their majority in Chennai. —Vensatry (Ping me) 05:41, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- I do not understand the basis for saying that "statistical figures showing their majority" are the only means of determining their influence in a city as well as the claim that only the majority must be listed. Telugus are not, by any means whatsoever, a majority in Chennai. Secret of success 06:49, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- This isn't out-of-topic. The Hindu article mentions only that the CM of Kerala stating "Chennai is a home away from home" for the Malayalis while inaugurating "The Kerala House", which is managed by the KTDC. It neither talks about their influence nor statistical figures showing their majority in Chennai. —Vensatry (Ping me) 05:41, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi. I still see that many top most indian cities do have scripts under them in lead even after the noticeboard talk page on removal of scripts ie., as many referred it as --> "rfc". I did not involve on that discussion board so I do not exactly know on what basis and what conclusion was arrived. Yet as per the notice of some respected users to me, I respect the noticeboard forum and go by it as of now and hope so what was concluded on this noticeboard is currently under implementation and so over a period of time (say a month) it will be implemented as per its conclusion all over. But certainly the urgency shown in some articles (especially like chennai) to remove native scripts now looks contrary and unfavorable. This is to bring to everyone's knowledge and I personally feel that inclusion of native script is nothing wrong as it is also part of the work on respective articles. But I also would like to remind all that failing of implementation of this throughout, will be considered as an adverse effect which automatically enables us to bring this article also under the same existing reality of adding scripts back. Look for your ideas. Thanks. ----Ungal Vettu Pillai (talk) 08:59, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Hello! WikiProject India has 96000+ (and still counting) articles under its scope. No one will be going and removing indic scripts from all of these just now. (All of those wont have it anyways.) So this will take time, and dont say a month, say a year or so. And if you see indic scripts on any other page, that does not mean you bring them back in Chennai. It means you remove them from those pages. -Animeshkulkarni (talk) 09:38, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- I would like to note that a guideline exists in wikipedia related to this. Wikipedia:Other stuff exists --Anbu121 (talk me) 09:50, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- WP:OSE is an essay, and essays are neither policies nor guidelines. Secret of success (talk) 14:37, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks Secret of success for reminding me. I didn't notice the tag on that page. --Anbu121 (talk me) 14:55, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- I would like to note that a guideline exists in wikipedia related to this. Wikipedia:Other stuff exists --Anbu121 (talk me) 09:50, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
- Keyan20, if you have a solution that would enable mass removal of the scripts from those nearly 100,000 articles, I'd be happy to hear it. If not, then we have to start from somewhere, and the most popular pages are the logical choices to go first. Animeshkulkarni puts it well. Lynch7 14:44, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Per chart it's 753 degrees Fahrenheit in July; pretty warm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.151.13.8 (talk) 20:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
I replaced the current MTC bus picture with what I considered a cleaner version (check version history). The cleaner version is also in use in the MTC wiki page. Personally, I thought it was routine edit until someone rolled back the edit and suggest it should be discussed here. Throwaway10 (talk) 20:56, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
- I disagree. The older one describes the subject clearly (no attraction in the background) and is zoomed up, while in this one, the Royapettah Clock Tower proves to be a diversion. Secret of success 17:58, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
- This topic was open for discussion for a while. Seeing as there was no active discussion, I attempted to reach consensus by editing. In any case, current picture has foreground clutter and is not zoomed in on the subject (what do you mean zoomed up?). Clearly other picture has a larger percentage of the picture area devoted to the subject at hand i.e. the MTC bus. I am not quite sure how the Royepettah Clock Tower in the background is any more distracting than random people in the foreground. Failing consensus in a reasonable period of time, it is probably best to ask for a third opinion Throwaway10 (talk) 03:31, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- The clock tower is an obvious distraction, and one can easily argue that the main subject of the picture is not the bus, but the tower. I would be pleased if you could go on about the "a larger percentage of the picture area devoted to the subject at hand", because I seem to think, quite on the contrary. With regards, Secret of success 06:54, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- This topic was open for discussion for a while. Seeing as there was no active discussion, I attempted to reach consensus by editing. In any case, current picture has foreground clutter and is not zoomed in on the subject (what do you mean zoomed up?). Clearly other picture has a larger percentage of the picture area devoted to the subject at hand i.e. the MTC bus. I am not quite sure how the Royepettah Clock Tower in the background is any more distracting than random people in the foreground. Failing consensus in a reasonable period of time, it is probably best to ask for a third opinion Throwaway10 (talk) 03:31, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Since a third opinion is being asked for, I would say both of them are bad. This is much better picture than both of the Volvo which have distractions. There are more in the category, but this appealed to me as best choice. Also there is no compulsion to have Volvo IMO :) Srikanth (Logic) 14:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
- Right, I'm fine with this. Its the best of the lot, though I would feel better about it if it represented an AC bus. Only the white-colored ones are air-conditioned. But otherwise, its perfectly fine and a well-taken shot. Secret of success 06:52, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Please Do not give former name of the city as 'Madrasapattinam', it was known as only Madras and not Madrasapattinam. Ever since the formation of the city it has been known as Madras (official and in English) or Chennai (in all Tamil texts). I think that people are mislead by the Tamil movie 'Madrasapattinam'. Actually the word pattinam was added to the Madras (in the movie) so as to avail Tax Exemption and it was not the official name at any time.As far as I see it myself the word Madrasapattinam appears in this article only after the release of the 2010 Tamil movie 'Madrasapattinam'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.193.176.252 (talk) 05:25, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
I think we should update a montage picture. I am working on one. You could help me by selecting pictures. Srinivasan 12:56, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
Hi guys, this article is now the Collaboration of the Month for September 2012. We are doing our best to get it to FA status. Please list out any issues that you may have with the article below and we will do our best to edit it. If anything needs a source, ask here, if we cannot find it on The Hindu or ToI, I can use my Highbeam account. If anything needs to be reworded, rewritten, restructured, or needs fixes in grammar/punctuation or neutrality, feel free to ask. Cheers, Happy Editing. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:45, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
- It is good initiative Rsrikanth05; But if possible please avoid news papers references, because currently it is contains mostly news papers sources and it is among major reasons to delist the article from FA. It will be very supportive if editors apply the sources from books, journals, magazines, government or reliable agencies research reports, survey reports etc. Best of luck for further FA. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 01:11, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
- Can we switch to harv style reference style splitting the books. I am also concerned about the numerous newspaper sources.
- a mention about religion or the religious monuments is missing - is a separate section needed?
- montage image has Bharathanatyam - think it can be replaced with a music one or some of the other famous monuments in the city like Fort st. George.
- Some sections like administration, demographics, culture, healthcare and education needs a total rewrite.Ssriram mt (talk) 01:21, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
- Converting to Harv style (or, using snf) in such a large article will be time-consuming. I don't know whether doing so is worth the effort.
- No separate section is needed for religion or religious monuments. It should be incorporated in other section (demographics, culture etc). Religious sections may be ok in articles on cities that are particularly known for religious significance (such as Rameswaram or Puri). Chennai should broadly follow the pattern (not every detail though) in Kolkata, which is a good model because it is an FA on a large city of India.
- Agree with total re-writes for many section.
- Images and montages can be dealt with at last, after the text and sources are worked upon.--Dwaipayan (talk) 14:47, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
- So guys, which style is finalized for sources?? Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:11, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
, Wait, what? Newspaper sources aren't fine? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:16, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
I've done some significantly minor changes to the Transport Section:
- Rearranged the sections alphabetically, Air, Rail, Road and Se, and subsequently rearranged the images as well.
- Given a new caption for all the images.
- Replaced the MTC Volvo with a non Volvo SLF [Blue 21G] as per consensus on the talk page, Archive 6.
Here are what needs to be done:
- Get a new picture for the Airport. Something in the day time. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:38, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Why is Tamil pronunciation of Chennai in the lead section and Etymology different? Please revise as I do not know which one is correct. Challengethelimits (talk) 03:54, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
The Cuisine and Religion (Festival) section has nothing unique to Chennai. It is same through out tamil nadu. I am removing them as of now. Please feel free to revert if you find any festival or cuisine unique to Chennai. I have also commented off empty sections earlier like politics, architecture, tourism. Please uncomment, once you have added content to them. --Anbu121 (talk me) 07:05, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Anbu, Though cuisines in Chennai has no uniqueness, can't we include the availability of western cuisines, which are not so popular in other cities in the state? (such as foreign brands like McDonalds,KFC, etc.). just checking with you. Challengethelimits (talk) 08:00, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
- KFC, McDonalds are not cuisines, they are restaurants. Burgers, Pizzas, etc. are cuisines. Even if we decide to mention about restaurants, Saravana bhavan and Adyar Ananda bhavan would precede McD, KFC for popularity. I think these can be mentioned in Culture of Chennai article rather than here. --Anbu121 (talk me) 08:36, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
- Rightly said! There is nothing unique about cuisine and religion of Chennai. Also the "Cinema" and "Recreation" are not needed as they are of little encyclopedic value. The "cinema" can however be merged with some relevant section. We shouldn't give more weightage to these kinda stuff. —Vensatry (Ping me) 16:57, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
- KFC, McDonalds are not cuisines, they are restaurants. Burgers, Pizzas, etc. are cuisines. Even if we decide to mention about restaurants, Saravana bhavan and Adyar Ananda bhavan would precede McD, KFC for popularity. I think these can be mentioned in Culture of Chennai article rather than here. --Anbu121 (talk me) 08:36, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Is this really needed? I haven't seen any city article with a section on Health care. Couldn't the info in the section be accommodated in Education and Economy sections? --Anbu121 (talk me) 19:16, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
- We can shift it to Economy, Tourism and Education. What do you say? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:02, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- Although not many articles have this, I have included this because Chennai is India's health capital. I thoughts a section dedicated to that might add value. We may move this to any other section if you desire. I suggest it moved to utility services. Discussions welcome. Challengethelimits (talk) 03:33, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
- Chennai is India's health capital? Ouch, I didn't know that. I only know it's the automobile city. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 17:41, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
- Although not many articles have this, I have included this because Chennai is India's health capital. I thoughts a section dedicated to that might add value. We may move this to any other section if you desire. I suggest it moved to utility services. Discussions welcome. Challengethelimits (talk) 03:33, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Comment: Firstly it is nice to see the initiative for FA.
- Guys, Please do not mistaken about the Health care section with Health tourism, The section is meant for the coverage of Health stability, facilities, coverage of immunization, Medical services, common or general defficiencies among residents etc. For reference please see Kolkata and Hyderabad. Regards :) --Omer123hussain (talk) 01:05, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
- I initially thought it was needless, but after referring the medical tourism books, i see 45% of medical tourists to India make to Chennai. So support for retaining it. Ssriram mt (talk) 01:15, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
- I think it is good to keep the section considering the facts about 45% of health tourists and a Health capital. I would also like to propose to keep the lead contents of Infrastructure section in to a sub-section Communication and add a generic content about the infrastructure in Chennai in to the lead. tausif(talk) 11:59, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
The lead has a sentence mentioning Chennai as cultural capital. While the reference cited is not reliable, there are a few other sources for the same: , . But, these are travel guides. I cannot find any good book that supports this statement. So, should it be removed? --Anbu121 (talk me) 22:41, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Kept The source looks pretty good. Moreover, the sentence in the article is mentioned as cutural capital of South India. So, it is very sure Chennai is the cultural capital.
- Calling Chennai the cultural capital of South India doesn't seem out of line to me but I agree that the source is dubious. I looked online and found this - a tad better? --regentspark (comment) 16:47, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- That contains a person's opinion, and not content endorsed by the newspaper. Given that there is no definition or criteria for 'cultural capital', it is better if the statement is removed. Secret of success (talk) 09:17, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Friends! Kudos! Good to see the article expanding constructively. As there is still a lot about the city to be actually covered (but haven't been so far), have added some new sections (such as Politics, Architecture, subsections in Culture, etc., after referring to articles on other international cities), which Chennai is particularly known for. Have also added descriptions (in the form of comments to the editors) about sections in case of ambiguity. Hope this would help us focus on the things that have been left out formerly. Cheers. Rasnaboy (talk) 18:41, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
- Can someone help me out with Recreation? --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 13:51, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Rsrikanth05, I believe mentions 'bout zoo, beach, Guindy park, and theme parks will do half the job. Should we include malls in this section? Challengethelimits (talk) 03:33, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
- Hey Challengethelimits, thanks for your massive addition. I've tweaked it a bit, and am adding a few lines about malls. Lemme know if there is any problem. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:56, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Rsrikanth05, this looks fine. Thinking about adding golf course and Adyar Boat Club here. Challengethelimits (talk) 16:11, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
- Go ahead. But the parks section is overlapping a bit. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 16:13, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Rsrikanth05, this looks fine. Thinking about adding golf course and Adyar Boat Club here. Challengethelimits (talk) 16:11, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
- Hey Challengethelimits, thanks for your massive addition. I've tweaked it a bit, and am adding a few lines about malls. Lemme know if there is any problem. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:56, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Rsrikanth05, I believe mentions 'bout zoo, beach, Guindy park, and theme parks will do half the job. Should we include malls in this section? Challengethelimits (talk) 03:33, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
- Cinema section looks neglected. Anybody with me?--Challengethelimits (talk) 14:53, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- Agreed. Could do with some revamping. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:46, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi, as you may all know, National Highway numbers were rationalised/changed in 2010. The current National Highways passing thru Chennai are:
- NH 16 Chennai-Calcutta [Withing Chennai, formerly 5].
- NH 716 Chennai - Renigunta [Withing Chennai, formerly 205].
- NH 48 Chennai-Krishnagiri [Within Chennai, formerly 4].
- NH 32 Chennai-Nahapattinam [Within Chennai, formerly 45].
We need to mention these numbers as well. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:11, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah! what about ECR, OMR and other arterial roads? Challengethelimits (talk) 14:48, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
- The major parts of ECR and OMR lie outside Chennai (outside the defined border), so I don't think there is any necessity to mention them. But the NH's would be a good addition. Secret of success (talk) 13:32, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
- I think ECR and OMR deserve a mention, ECR for connecting to Pondy, and OMR as part of the IT Corridor. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 19:21, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
- The major parts of ECR and OMR lie outside Chennai (outside the defined border), so I don't think there is any necessity to mention them. But the NH's would be a good addition. Secret of success (talk) 13:32, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
Just tried adding some introductory texts to the "Politics" section. However, this seems more pertaining to the state of Tamil Nadu. Chennai-specific info needs to be added with citations. Please review. Rasnaboy (talk) 18:02, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- Most of TN's politics bank on Chennai, so I guess it would be okay. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:24, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
- Politics section should include details about wards, councilors, Mayor elections, and mention about the two Secretariat buildings, I guess. Should this be handled in historic point of view too (like politics during British period)?--Challengethelimits (talk) 11:45, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
- Exactly. The politics section doesn't tell anything about chennai except for the first line. --Anbu121 (talk me) 12:18, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
- I agree with Chanllengethelimits about adding info about Mayors and Wards. Do note, some of it will come under Administration and some under History. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 08:38, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
- Exactly. The politics section doesn't tell anything about chennai except for the first line. --Anbu121 (talk me) 12:18, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
- Politics section should include details about wards, councilors, Mayor elections, and mention about the two Secretariat buildings, I guess. Should this be handled in historic point of view too (like politics during British period)?--Challengethelimits (talk) 11:45, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Can the article explain what that means? I don't know, and yes, that's because I don't know that much about Chennai. I suspect it won't be clear to many non-Indian readers. Itsmejudith (talk) 19:08, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
- Changed the wording. thanks--Challengethelimits (talk) 15:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
India does not define metropolitan areas. It is true that some government agencies have "metropolitan" in their names, but this is simply a label and not the result of any criteria that would designate a metropolitan area. India does designate urban agglomerations, which are also called urban areas or urbanized areas. The criteria is described at this address:
http://censusindia.gov.in/2011-prov-results/paper2/data_files/India2/1.%20Data%20Highlight.pdf
An urban agglomeration is an area of continuous urban development. Metropolitan areas are labor markets, which include rural territory from which workers commute to the urban agglomeration.
The populations of the two concepts can be similar, but they are very different urban terms and should not be mixed (confused). It is thus inappropriate to use urban agglomeration data in any list of metropolitan areas.
This article incorrectly uses the urban agglomeration population of Chennai in portraying its rank as a metropolitan area.
The same problem exists in other articles on cities in India.
I tried to make some corrections in this article, which backfired, so I have tried to restore the article to its former, and incorrect form (and think that I have succeeded). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.132.161.1 (talk) 22:46, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
The article is in great shape and potential GA but I see few issues. As said on my talk, here are the flaws which I see:
- 1st para in the Lead - things are just kept there and I'm unable to get a flow. Ahmedabad and Mumbai can be taken as an example while improving
- Infobox - this isn't the official website of "chennai" so needs to be renamed, like Official website of the Municipality
- No need of IPA in the section Etymology as it is already stated in the lead.
- After the English gained possession of the area in the 17th century, - odd sentence. Use British instead of English
- Climate - 1st line has an issue
- Urban structure is entirely dependent on a single source. Not a big issue, but 1 or 2 more refs supporting the content would be nice
- Elliot's Beach lies south of the Adyar delta. - looks like it is just kept there and should either be expanded or merged + need a ref
- Administration - last line in the 1st para needs ref
- Law and order - few claims need ref + the caption in the image needs to be improved
- Is Kollywood supposed to be like Kollywood or Kollywood in the article? Currently, it is stated in both types
- The heritage temples at Mamallapuram at the outskirts of the city are one the best examples of the Pallava architecture. - "best" is POV and the line needs to be re-written with a ref
- Architecture - few claims are unsoursed here also
- Major software companies have their offices set up here - "set up here"? or should it be "in the city"?
- In arts and culture, there is see also, "Cinema of Tamil Nadu" which should be moved under the sub-section "Cinema"
- Transport - no issues. I specially enjoyed reading this.
- need ref for The one and only Hindi Newspaper
- In Economy, tidel park image should have a better caption
- Images in Education also need to have improved captions
- Sister cities - the table is a bit too colourful. As we like to keep things simple, can it be changed to what is in Delhi? (it is colourful as well as looks sober)
- Please add up {{portal|India|Chennai}} to the see also section.
- Images need WP:ALT
- In refs, there are different methods used for dating, eg., 10 September 2012., while other being August 07, 2006. and 2009-01-25 - Please be consistent throughout
- There are at least more then 10 dead links
Overall, work by editors over the month is amazing and it is real close to getting the GA star! I hope that my suggestions would help. Happy editing guys :) TheSpecialUser TSU 15:07, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- Odd, checklinks has marked several working links pointing to The Hindu as dead. I'm renaming the link to Website of the Chennai Corporation. Is it okay --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 15:21, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- Okay guys, we have nine days in this month, and in these nine days, I think we can take it to a GA. Let's go for it! --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:21, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- We always have the option of extending the COTM for one more month. Do you think the article is ready for GA? Some of the sources are outdated. (For e.g, the source mentioning Tidel park as biggest is on November 2000) --Anbu121 (talk me) 12:31, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- We can, but I think then we should also choose another article to work on. Right now I'm trying to find sources to indicate that Chennai lies on the Thermal equator. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 14:11, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- If extended, the sub will get boring by loosing the element of fun so just boldly go for GA nom at the end. We still have 9 days left and wonders can be done in it. The article is currently pretty good. Wherever the sources are outdated and there are no other sources available, add "As of xxx...." to is (this was suggested at GA review of Delhi). TheSpecialUser TSU 16:59, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- Sounds good. I think we can still manage it. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 17:04, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- If extended, the sub will get boring by loosing the element of fun so just boldly go for GA nom at the end. We still have 9 days left and wonders can be done in it. The article is currently pretty good. Wherever the sources are outdated and there are no other sources available, add "As of xxx...." to is (this was suggested at GA review of Delhi). TheSpecialUser TSU 16:59, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- We can, but I think then we should also choose another article to work on. Right now I'm trying to find sources to indicate that Chennai lies on the Thermal equator. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 14:11, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- We always have the option of extending the COTM for one more month. Do you think the article is ready for GA? Some of the sources are outdated. (For e.g, the source mentioning Tidel park as biggest is on November 2000) --Anbu121 (talk me) 12:31, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- Okay guys, we have nine days in this month, and in these nine days, I think we can take it to a GA. Let's go for it! --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:21, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- It is touch away from GA status. Recreation needs ref as well as clean up, Name -> Etymology, History, Cinema and Housing need refs. Prose looks good enough, just there is a bit attention needed at Sports (merging of paras is also necessary). I think once addressed these minor issues, it is good to go for GA. TheSpecialUser TSU 14:39, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
We're having a problem with the name. Like Bombay, "Madras" is still very common. It's incorrect to say the city was formerly known as Madras, because it still is known as Madras. Based on familiarity and common usage, a good argument could be made for having the article at Madras rather than at Chennai. (As opposed to the state, which is essentially never called Madras any more.) I'm not going to argue for a move, but we need to reflect the reality that both names are in use. The sources I added after they were requested include quite a few Indian authors as well, so it isn't even an Indian vs Western thing. — kwami (talk) 03:26, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
- While I think that Chennai is now fairly standard usage, I agree that "also known as" is far better than "formerly known as". Formerly applies to the official name of the city but we don't really care about official on Wikipedia. (This is so obvious we shouldn't need a source for it.)--regentspark (comment) 03:33, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
- The sources provided all portray historical perspective of Chennai (some of the sources are more than 10 years old). Hence they are refered to as madras. Please don't add to the article until consensus has been reached. I am reverting the edits for now. Disciussions welcome. --Challengethelimits (talk) 04:05, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
- The name was changed in 1996. A history of the period 2001–2011 that calls it "Madras" shows the name is still used. I chose refs from a number of years; none of them are more than 10 yrs old, but if a couple were it would be irrelevant. A tourist guide and botanical book are hardly historical perspectives. And as RegentsPark said, this is so obvious that we shouldn't need refs. — kwami (talk) 04:28, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
- This is silly. It is still, for example University of Madras and IIT Madras]. I'm restoring kwami's text and suggest we all save our energies for other battles. --regentspark (comment) 20:44, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
- The name was changed in 1996. A history of the period 2001–2011 that calls it "Madras" shows the name is still used. I chose refs from a number of years; none of them are more than 10 yrs old, but if a couple were it would be irrelevant. A tourist guide and botanical book are hardly historical perspectives. And as RegentsPark said, this is so obvious that we shouldn't need refs. — kwami (talk) 04:28, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
- The sources provided all portray historical perspective of Chennai (some of the sources are more than 10 years old). Hence they are refered to as madras. Please don't add to the article until consensus has been reached. I am reverting the edits for now. Disciussions welcome. --Challengethelimits (talk) 04:05, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
People had no issues when Bombay state was renamed as Maharashtra, when Travancore-Cochin state was renamed as Kerala [though it was never before called as Kerala or Keralam in its native langauge but called as Chera Nadu] ,when Orissa was renamed as Odisha,when Calcutta was renamed as Kolkatta,when Cochin was renamed as Kochi,when Dilli was made Delhi in standard usage but they had issues when Tamil Nadu was given back it's old name scraping the term Madras State.They have problem with Chennai though the common man of British era called it Chennai and not Madras.This is the same group that mocks at inability of some Tamil politicians to speak English but takes pride of some north Indian politician's inability to speak English and calls it national pride .
The arguement based on terms like Madras High Court,IIT Madras a trivial.Madras High Court was named after the then MADRAS STATE and not Chennaipattinam/Madrasapattinam.Similarly Bombay High Court was named after Bombay state.Juridiction of an hich court is over a state and not a city.Now there is no Bombay or Madras State.If you still have doubts regarding naming of High Courts over the names of the states then see Karnataka,Kerala,Gujarat Highcourts.Here is the [List of High Courts of India]. (182.19.20.14 (talk) 20:18, 6 July 2013 (UTC)arun1paladin)
Folks,I don't think the cinema section is about tamil cinema as a whole. We should write about only the scenario in Chennai. I feel the content about superstar, Sivaji and others should be removed, though a mention about them is welcome. What say? --Challengethelimits (talk) 11:20, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
- Okay, please elaborate if it should be kept or removed? any way I think the section speaks more about personalities rather than cinema and theater, if personalities are to be mention we should specify how they had contributed to Tamil cinema. Any way the Tamil cinema and theater are the most early one in India and are trend setters, I hope we need to mention some history and Market value. Regards :)--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:19, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Hi, my name is Stephen, I was reading the article because Chennai has bid to host the World Chess Championship match in November 2013 and I wanted to find out a bit more about the city. I noticed the following in the Economy section.
"In the late 18th century it became the only city in Asia to manufacture car engines and ancillary parts for Ships and Battle Tanks."
I guess that the late 18th century was a little early for these manufacturing activities.
Kind regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 186.59.47.6 (talk) 17:48, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
GA Toolbox
I like to get this checked out first, I have found issues using this that has led to quick fails so it's important this passes muster.
- Copyright violations Tool
- Tool gets a hit for a possible copyright violation issue with article - http://www.gte-india.com/chennai.php - but I am not sure who copied who. I will do some research to see if I can find out who was the originator.
- Another issue with article - http://madras.trade/city
- Again I will check to see if I can determine who copied who
- And this one - http://www.touristlink.com/india/chennai/overview.html
- And one more - http://www.e-perpustakaan.com/chennai-city-area-list/
- Overlap in phrases detected against url - thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/plenty-of-houses-few-affordable/article4065091.ece - this should be addressed in the wikipedia article.
- "Of the existing housing stock in Chennai, about 2,00,000 houses are not in good condition. Either new houses are needed or there should be assistance to rebuild. About 26,000 households live in houses without any room and another 4,27,000 families — with an average size of five members — live in small dwelling units with only one room."
- More overlap - http://thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/chennai-consumes-20-of-the-power-of-the-state/article5934753.ece
- "the peak power consumption is for four months between May and August, with the city consuming the highest during June."
- "emerged in the top 25 real estate destinations list in the Asia Pacific region."
- "his works to 2.1 beds per 1,000 population against the national average of less than 1 bed per 1,000 population"
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