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So, the single-purpose account is of the strong and unfaltering opinion that Lee's mother was not of as much German ancestry as she was Chinese, so that she was, in his words, only of "partly German" ancestry. Normally, I try to overlook these nationalistic biases, but since the single-purpose account appears to be so intent on proving the Chineseness about everything connected with Bruce, I believe it is in the best of Wikipedia's enlightened tradition to look into the matter further, so that the single-purpose account gets his mental peace and work on the article can finally move on. So, does anyone know from reliable sources whether her mother or her father was German? Gun Powder Ma (talk) 13:22, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
This issue has already been settled and closed by Huo Xin, Misortie and Padillah.
It seems that you always like to start a dispute to ruining this article.
Please look back in the history before you start an edit or dispute, and try to keep this article tidy and truthful. Undefeatedcooler (talk) 15:20, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
"Requested action against me"?
You intent on ruining the article.
You can't even be bothered and avoided to look back in the history of this talk page. Undefeatedcooler (talk) 16:45, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
I don t know if it s interesting for you, but i am german and was always very interested about Lee s german ancestry. In 2002, Bruces younger brother Robert Lee (musician) visited the "Divine Wind" Forum (www.bruceleedivinewind.com / the forum is closed since 2005) and any user could ask him a question, which he responded. I did ask him, and he said: "My mother s father was a german", so it should be a grandfather. I tried to ask Robert if he can give any more informations about him (where he came from, how is name was etc.), but he didn t reply to it. Best regards, CB 1:16, 15 March 2010 (CET). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.97.225.61 (talk)
I wasn’t the only person who claimed "Grace Ho’s father wasn’t German".
Huo Xin (talk) also recognized Grace Ho’s father wasn’t German. In the previous discussion, Huo Xin said: “All of this arguing is silly and moronic. It was Bruce Lee's grandmother who was half Chinese and half German. If you wish to verify this you can contact his brother, Robert Lee as well as other family members who are alive today. His mother was only a quarter German, thus Bruce Lee was only an 1/8 German.”
The reason we knew that Grace Ho’s father wasn’t German, because Grace Ho was the daughter of the prominent businessman Ho Kom Tong. That’s why her surname was “Ho” (a Chinese surname). They were widely recognized in the Hong Kong communities.
In the previous discussion, I asserted by a relevant source. Somebody concerns about the reliability, I explained: “I just readily found the article from the internet, if you simply type (Grace Ho, Ho Kom Tong) on the internet, there were tons of relevant articles about it.
Please do some research first, rather than just reading a typo in Bruce Thomas’s book. Undefeatedcooler (talk) 12:34, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
You have no right to criticise and report us, Huo Xin (talk) surely wasn't a single-pupose account, you racist editor.
The reference from Lee's wife did not stated that Grace Ho's father was German.
If you make an obstinate edit again. I will report you as edit-warring before you did. Undefeatedcooler (talk) 13:18, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ has a point. I guess we need another source then.Peppermint Chills 14:45, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
You see, even the Blackbelt editors stated that she was "three-fourths chinese and one- fourth german". Undefeatedcooler (talk) 15:13, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Not as reliable and an extremely limited view "Everybody was Kung Fu fighting: Afro-Asian connections and the myth of.." State 1/4 GermanPeppermint Chills 15:16, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
OK, an Admin haslocked the article due to edit-warring for one week. I suggest everyone use that time to bring forth their reliable sources and bring concerns here to the talk page where we can hammer it out. Use this time constructively and we'll be able to produce a better article, or don't and we'll be mired down in this senseless bickering and the article will get locked again.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 22:36, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
The first two books that Myasuda has presented appears to state the father is of German descent. The Last two state she is is 1/2 German. Peppermint Chills 06:32, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
It seems some stated 1/2 but some stated 1/4. That’s why I would never trust those “so-called” reliable sources, and we can never reach a consensus from those materials
Lets look into more details on the issues:
How come Grace Ho had a Chinese surname “Ho” (if her father was German)? There were number of rumours citing that she was the daughter of the prominent businessman Ho Kom Tong.
Ho Kom Tong was actually an Eurasian. That possibly made Grace Ho as part of German.
I also agreed we could check on the vita of Bruce's father Lee Hoi-Chuen and Ho Kom Tong to find more informations about the background of Grace Ho. Undefeatedcooler (talk) 12:19, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
Mike, I would like to ask: what does “verifiable source” mean?
It seems none of them were “verifiable sources”.
I think we need to find a proper interview by Robert Lee, other members of Grace Ho's family (or a credible family tree) to make a verification. Undefeatedcooler (talk) 12:37, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
Well here is another book for 1/4 ----Prashad, Vijay (2002), Everybody Was Kung Fu Fighting: Afro-Asian Connections and the Myth of Cultural Purity, United States: Beacon Press, p. 127, ISBN 0807050113 Peppermint Chills 01:11, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Ok, here is on that says that Bruce Lee is 1/8 German, now if my math is right, it backs up 1/4 German.Snipped view, so just follow link. This also backs up Huo Xin's statement found here Peppermint Chills 01:30, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Grace Ho's mother was half German, thus she was 1/4 and Bruce was 1/8 German. this has been said before, just look back, you guys are just worried about sources instead of the facts.There is obviously a conflict with facts going on, nearly split. The reason why you guys are finding her as "half" is because the authors didn't bother to look any farther back in the family tree, they saw "German and Chinese descent" and quickly assumed Half. Jut look at the context shown; one of the sources describe her as Chinese, but then go into a little more detail about her parents to found out some German in her. But they don't go any farther. You would then find out that her mother was half German, hence why the other sources have stated "1/4 German" They didn't just make it up make it upGonetohome (talk) 03:17, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
All right. I think the following link will settle this debate once and for all. At the 3:40-3:50 minute mark of the video link , Robert Lee states that his mother is half-Caucasian. — Myasuda (talk) 04:15, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
“Half-Caucasian” doesn't mean “Half-German”.
If she was really half-German, Robert would have mentioned “half-German” instead of “half-Caucasian”. Undefeatedcooler (talk) 14:52, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
Robert Lee's statement in the video was the “only” reliable source that had provided here. Therefore, "half-Caucasian" is most appropriate to this statement in the article, and we could use Robert Lee's quote as a reference point. Undefeatedcooler (talk) 12:14, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
Someone believed that Grace Ho’s father was German, but how come she had a Chinese surname?
Her surname is under suspicion, and there were number of rumours citing that she was the daughter of the prominent businessman Ho Kom Tong.
Please look into this. Thanks. Undefeatedcooler (talk) 13:20, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
Huh? “footnote 8” did not solve the suspicious of her Chinese surname. Undefeatedcooler (talk) 14:49, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
That’s why I say: those “so-called” reliable sources were lack of reliability, we can never reach a consensus from those materials.
Perhaps, other reliable sources claimed she was “1/4 German”, but someone fancied the one with “German father”.
Well, her Chinese surname simply proved everything. Undefeatedcooler (talk) 12:53, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Yes, but since there were different versions from the reliable sources, and none of them were 100% accurate and not consensus.
We are trying to bring in the truth to the article, not speculation.
If there is something that is not definite, we should simplify it or leave it.
By the way, this article is about Bruce Lee, not Grace Ho. Thanks. Undefeatedcooler (talk) 10:09, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
Ok, so what is the consensus on the Chinese-related categories ("Chinese philosophers" etc.) and the infobox? We keep the infobox on the grounds that most of his films were originally in Chinese (were they?), but remove the categories for lack of evidence of his Chinese citizenship? To me this sounds ok. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 01:10, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Folks, the editwarring is getting old. I'd like to think we could hash this stuff out like adults here rather than act like children. I hate having to go to ANI for these things, if this battleground mentality keeps up the next step will be RFC. Let's not go there. Let's go to talk and act like adults rather than people with a hidden agenda. Thanks--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 14:04, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
An official complaint to where? WikiMedia? You highly overestimate the "officialness" of anything here, and everything I did was within policy - just because someone violates 3RR doesn't preclude the page from being protected. I suppose you could have requested it at WP:RFUP, which wasn't mentioned above; instead, Gun Powder Ma chose to come be sarcastically bitchy on my talk page. Awesome; sorry I wasn't working for you as hard as I should. My salary here is a little low. At any rate, I agree with the gist of the above, and I am going to unprotect the article. If the obvious SPI starts again - which is fairly certain - notify me or the edit war noticeboard. And try not to be a bitch. Tan | 39 21:49, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Please read:Bobby Jindal: Ethinicity and Infobox Question plus please let us know if he also he remained or even was a Hongkonger citizen so we can add his nationality to the first line.(Only American or Hongkonger American?) -- And Rew 05:32, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Well, this talk page is well over 200 kilobytes long, and i can see that some discussions were restored, some of which have not been edited in months. is there anyway we can archive something as it is extreamly hard to navigate through all of this and it is recommended to archive when it exceeds 50 KB, or has more than 10 main topics here Peppermint Chills 02:28, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Lee used polyphasic sleep for most of his life, this could have caused unforeseen complications or chemical imbalances in serotonin, which could cause a hypersensitivity to drugs found in Equagesic. This is OR though, try to find some sources suggesting it. 99.236.221.124 (talk) 04:19, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
Please remove the ad to the Light A Pixel memorial website Memorial website, pfffffffffft.... what a joke —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.101.96.48 (talk) 18:45, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
In the Wing Chun section of this Bruce Lee article, it says 'After a year into his Wing Chun training, most of Yip Man's other students refused to train with Lee after they learnt of his ancestry (his mother was of half-German ancestry) as the Chinese in America generally were against teaching their martial arts techniques to non-Asians.[ The bit that doesn't make sense is the part about chinese in america not wanting to teach non-asians. Bruce wasn't in America, he was in Hong Kong. It should read: as the Chinese generally were against teaching their martial arts techniques to non-Asians. If the article is to stay the same, then we'll need proof that Yip Man's student's were concerned about what pleases Americans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.216.138 (talk) 13:03, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Game of death 2 was not a bruce lee film. You should include Marlowe in his filmography because Game of death 2 [though you do mention it] was just stock footage. I could make a Bruce Lee film that way and there have been Bruceploitation films like that where they have stock footage of him from previous films including footage of his funeral how fucking sick.
This is not a forum Vtttmio (talk) 04:28, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Can somebody undo this edit. There was no consensus that the citations were to be like that. And to add those two sentences back. Vtttmio (talk) 03:48, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
The article quotes Bruce Lee's wife stating that he had a weight around 72 kg, but what was his height? Nowhere in this article do I find mention of this simple statistic. I hope some knowledgeable person enlightens us on this fact. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wargamer (talk • contribs) 21:32, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
I think he was 5.7. Vtttmio (talk) 03:52, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
I have noticed many items in this article that not only have the incorrect perspective, but are also offensive to the National Sentiment of China. It is well known in China that Li Xiaolong ("Bruce Lee") was born in Fujian province. He was definitely not born in USA. This must be an example of USA trying to steal our culture.
Also, his martial art "Jiequandao" is the pinnacle of Chinese achievement. All of Li Xiaolong's disciples were Chinese and the inheritors of this martial art are to be found in China only! Please remove the references to these foreign imitators!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.174.189.20 (talk) 01:54, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm not really sure what you meen but you do realize that Bruce lee taught foreigners Chinese martial arts. Vtttmio (talk) 04:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
I don't think you know what you are talking about. Are you Chinese? No foreigner has been approved by the appropriate Wushu committees in China to teach "Jiequandao". Please take down that list now! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.174.193.196 (talk) 05:10, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Yes I am Chinese and what I am tryng to tell you is that Bruce Lee was not "approved" to teach foreigners but he did. Others have done the same. Vtttmio (talk) 05:14, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Cite 25 is about "Lee also studied philosophy, psychology, and various other subjects" but the page http://www.washington.edu/alumni/columns/dec99/j_o.html don´t tell nothing about it. --85.61.18.59 (talk) 10:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Drama have is own reference: cite 27, the previous cite (now cite 25 is cite 28):
"Lee enrolled at the University of Washington, majoring in drama according to the university's alumni association information,[27]"
The cite 28 (before 25) is ambiguous or duplicated.
--150.214.38.71 (talk) 07:59, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
In the list of physical feats by Bruce Lee, the first point says "Bruce's 'speeed' from 3 feet" it should say "Bruce's "strike speed" from 3 feet" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.7.114 (talk) 21:33, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
As Bruce Lee grew up in Hong Kong, and spoke cantonese, I believe that jyutping should also be used. So people can also understand the cantonese pronunciation of his name, the name he was known as where he grew up and was made famous. I believe the article did previously have this, but somebody removed it, and I want to know why, and I will put up the jyutping and in future, if it's removed, I would like an admin's opinion on this —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guitar3000 (talk • contribs) 05:05, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
Someone has been going through the articles for many famous Cantonese figures and replacing the jyutping entries with pinyin ones. 71.162.110.125 (talk) 22:09, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
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Please rephrase the following line under the sub-heading 'Death': "Bruce Lee is buried next to his son Brandon in Lake View Cemetery, Seattle, U.S.A"
This sentence sounds like Bruce Lee passed away after his son. However, Brandon died 20 years after Bruce in 1993.
Boligarla (talk) 18:53, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
Is that section really necessary? The "Physical fitness" section already tells you he was strong as hell. Perhaps make note of one or two in the section above. I just don't see the point of 13 particular feats being its own section. wiooiw (talk) 00:44, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
The physical feats should be deleted as they are NOT documented. They are from the same book, that claim that Bruce Lee could send people outweighing him with up to 100 lbs. or more "flying 15 feet through the air with one of his famous one-inch punches". Heavyweight boxers can't even lift an opponent inches in the air, but with a one inch punch 15 feet? All the physical feats were used to sell books and magazines and make money. I will delete the feats within a week unless there is real documentation, and not just commercial salestalk! Fightdane (talk) 12:47, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm not finding it in the article. But the physical feats mentioned in the article is taken from the same book: http://books.google.com/books?id=UwlpC-S3j-gC&printsec=frontcover&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false Read page 22. The same guy that claims, that Bruce Lee made these one-inch-punches are the guy that claims the other physical feats. He is not a reliable. Anybody hit with a punch and are thrown 15 feet through the air is likely to die. The author is John Little. Here is another site, where he writes that Bruce Lee "Leaping eight feet in the air to kick out a light bulb". The world high jumping record at the time was about 7 feet 6 inches. So he could have broken the world record, had he just entered a high jump competition according to John Little. Therefore any physical feat that originate to John Little should be deleted. Let us see those risegrains be caught with chopsticks. There must be film footage. I am not saying, that every single physical feat is a lie, but some of them obviously are. Therefore they should be verified by some other source. Fightdane (talk) 13:31, 18 October 2010 (UTC) The other site is here: http://www.mikementzer.com/blee.html Fightdane (talk) 13:32, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Wiooiw, read my post again. I am not saying, that every single physical feat is a lie, but some of them obviously are. Therefore they should be verified by some other source. When someone claims something, according to Wikipedias rules it must be verifiable. A book is not verification as such! His strength is either claimed Linda Lee or John Little and never performed in public. People who clearly are lying about other feats. They are obviously not reliable sources.
Ask yourself this: if Bruce Lee could jump eight feet in the air, why didn't he use it in his movies? Why did he never perform that feat in public? How come he doesn't use the one-inch-punch in movies? If he could make a person fly 15 feet with a one-inch-punch, how far could he make a person fly with a normal punch? That would be fantastic in a movie. There are actually videos of his one-inch-punches on Youtube. People just fall back on a chair behind. Where is the verification for these physical feats? Has he done it on video? Has he done it in front of an audience of neutral observance? The list of physical feats is a violation of the Wikipedia rules. Therefore they must be deleted, or at least there must be a statement, where it is noted, that they are unverified! Fightdane (talk) 10:17, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
When I was a kid, I bought books about UFOs. UFO-experts wrote, that these were credible incidents of UFOs visiting our planet. No books wre written to contradict them. Does that mean, that the article on UFOs should contain these stories?
Today I work as a journalist. Books, especially autobiographies and official biographies, are not to be considered objective descriptions of events. When Tony Blair writes his memoirs of his time as prime minister, it should be considered the way he WANTS things to be seen, not as they are. When Guinness Book of Records recognizes a record, it is not enough, that someone claims a record in a book. Some of the physical feats are actually from websites! 50 chin ups in one arm? But how long did he have? If I google world record for one arm chin-ups, people are talking about 22 or 23. But those are only claims! You can't find videos. When someone claim 50 for Lee 25 years after his death, it must be verified by more than just words from a friend or fan or an official biographer.
As it says in the guidelines you mention: Anyone can create a website or pay to have a book published, then claim to be an expert in a certain field.
I have no doubt, that Bruce Lee was a very fit person with great physical strength. But physical feats should be verified.
Someone deleted the page without reason. All informations were sourced. Wikipedia really lose his credibility if some Wikipedians act like they want. Cheers (i mean this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_awards_and_honors_of_Bruce_Lee) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.97.245.118 (talk) 19:18, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
These individual aren't real chinese decentants??
What exactly is unclear — that Ho Kom-tong is his brother or that Ho Kom-tong is the father of Grace Ho? wiooiw (talk) 01:30, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Edit suggestion: Patrick Strong should be added to the names of "Notable students of Jun Fan/Gung Fu/Jeet Kune Do". He was a student of Bruce's in Seattle, and has been teaching Jun Fan Gung Fu/Jeet Kune Do for quite a number of years. A quick Google search will evidence the numerous seminars he has done, his video series, and his contributions on many Jeet Kune Do/Jun Fan Gung Fu Forums. Strikingthoughts (talk) 20:14, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Here is a big issue. Can Bruce Lee even be consider as an Chinese at all? For someone to be chinese don't they need to be pure chinese and not mixed. As bigotry that may sound, I think you have to be 100% chinese to be consider called chinese in the first place. Other than that, he can only be consider as an person born a to mainly 3/4 chinese parents. I do however take that he is an american. Just to bring to attend about his grand parents and other link in his family pre and post. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.151.155.209 (talk) 03:44, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
This article needs a proper introduction because it doesn't have one. His nationality must be mentioned in the opening paragraph. Chuck Norris and Jackie Chan has one; and i'm wondering why Bruce Lee doesn't have one?.
I'm going to add his Chinese-American nationality in the opening paragraph, if people don't mind. He was a Chinese-American of Hong-Kong heritage. He was born in the U.S., but was raised as a Chinese, and that makes him a Chinese American. What do you think? Chinese or American for introduction?--StreetfighterAkuma talk 05:05, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
Here is one of many references describing Bruce Lee's Chinese American nationality. http://www.asianweek.com/2009/05/08/chinese-american-hero-bruce-lee/ http://www.freemooviesonline.com/magazine/cinema/actors-and-actresses/bruce-lee-the-master-of-kung-fu.html --StreetfighterAkuma talk 07:25, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
You can't compare those "kids with a yellow face in Long Beach, California" to Bruce Lee, as Lee was raised in HK and the fact that he did returned back to HK for good in 1971.
The most important thing is he always considered himself as Chinese. In all of his movies, he was never an American, that clearly explained everything.Undefeatedcooler (talk) 13:30, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
Correct, but Lee was also a Hong Kong citizen. Hence, "Hong Kong actor" should also be added along with "Chinese American" to the lead sentence. Undefeatedcooler (talk) 13:59, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
Gun Powder Ma, you are out of topic here again, please stop messing around in this discussion page. Undefeatedcooler (talk) 16:50, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
the proper way to term him is american chinese. he is a chinese born in america. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.120.169.4 (talk) 09:48, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
I did a quick read of this article and it is need of some serious cleanup and constant monitoring. It is evident people are adding in unsupported claims and making some really inflated statements all over the article that other editors aren't catching. Many of these additions seem to be made by people with a poor grasp of English grammar. For example I just removed the sentence "Lee's familiarity of the Art of War was infinitely diverse from his studious life-time focus." This is really getting out of hand, and fairly ironic since this is exactly the type of mythical, unrealistic crap that Lee himself strove to strip away from martial arts. Shaolin Samurai (talk) 15:59, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
(Bruce Lee Childhood Acting Career) (As we all know Bruce Lee made some good martial arts movies in his adult life, but how many of you know of his childhood acting career in Hong Kong? Bruce Lee was born in 1940 and because of his parents' connections, grew up around the movie and theater industry.
Bruce was a popular child actor in the 1950's in Hong Kong and was in demand by the studios. He was typically cast as the poor kid or orphan that usually tried to do the right thing but he occasionally played the kid that got into a gang. His first film was actually in 1941 when he was a baby of three months as a stand in for another baby.
In the earlier films he played in a minor or supporting role but later he became the leading character in the films. His first major part was in 1950 in a movie called "the Kid". The movies director played the part of a gangster who gets lee into the gangster life. Bruce Lee's father was also in this movie as a rich guy. Bruce's father played in almost one hundred films during his life.
In 1960 Bruce played his last role as a child actor. The movie is called "The Orphan" and starred Lee as an orphan that gets forced into a life of crime. It was after this film that Bruce Lee left Hong Kong for the United States. In all Bruce was in about 20 films as a child actor.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.253.243.242 (talk) 17:17, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
Was he really just "one of" the most influential martial artists of the 20th century? Who was more influential? I don´t see anyone. If he was one of - or the most influential martial artists of the 20th century, he was undoubtely one of the greatest martial artists of all time. What s about changing it to "...one of the greatest martial artists of all time and a cultural icon"? Take Care —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.88.131.226 (talk) 06:26, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
Masahiko Kimura, Mas Oyama, umpteen Gracies, Mike Tyson, Jack Dempsey...I can keep going if I need to. They all lived in the 20th century and unlike Bruce they were all martial artists instead of actors, since we have proof of them all fighting. That sentence is lucky to stand as it is without inflating this actor's status even more. 211.133.143.74 (talk) 06:58, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
+ Tyson and Dempsey aren t "Martial Arts Legends", they are Legends in the Combat sport of Boxing, not in Martial Arts. Martial arts is not just practical, it has also much to do with theoretical and philosophical stuff. Some people should do research about Combat sport and Martial art, it s not the same. Cheers mates ;-) Niten Doraku (talk) 20:11, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
There has been ongoing a rather large amount of discussion with the myths of Bruce Lee's feats.
These points are the ones stated in the article on wikipedia, which very few people find reliable - and there arent any proof of evidence to support this, except statements in Warm Marble - which has no sources to back up the facts:
and why can 't you just believe it???sitting in your pc and doubting about what other people have achieved interests you?sorry,this is pathetic!anyway the source is more than enough to support the statements,taking into account the abilities he had developed. Frizstyler (talk) 12:51, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
Is she 25% German, or 50% German? I always assumed she was 50% German and 50% Chinese, but her Chinese name seems to imply otherwise. Also, her children look rather Chinese. Estheroliver (talk) 22:29, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
She is the daughter of Ho Kom Tong, is that mean Mr Ho Kom Tong was German? Undefeatedcooler (talk) 11:53, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9L5HMSroh4&playnext=1&list=PL8AE8D098A6D06B8B&ytsession=zwHRyuzSV-EbAxJmSktuuk0FphL2Echgnc0LZJZ5Cfk4FzWOc4jvnXONV0c8xE5WPPva9-IUgolyB46h37Y5tA_SYfA1Ki7kMOpUhSVT2wgjZbXWayoE4djrW5UpUGhYxE1q4XFjlMujItnsKhFgN_u9cWEzVIK4IXkrFdd5YyrI81PHjRn75iTF24MQFTonGukfAraOT8mmL7ihMm6ovq_HY4GNihGawXEAcCMwA8uTvwxKqQNkeHbWfjNeoRbufgwxz_QHKmVuHSjomvtHbfprEgjsvP57qS-h7AnhqK2VI8AElvFvJVGF46ipp7PPRX84ovqBtiUSuk6K0vu9LAKkjulFDr4I --88.243.248.105 (talk) 01:41, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
This section is a joke. Just because one man says Bruce could do all these increadable things doesnt make them true. Bruce spent almost his entire life in front of camera's , if he could really do the things that John Little says he could then there would be clear examples on film for all of us to see / judge for ourselfs. Its worth noting here that Bruce himself never claimed to be able to do these amazing feats of strength. In Bruces famous TV interview he was asked if he could break a board by hitting it he replied "i would probably break my hand". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.155.33.225 (talk) 17:43, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Hi , i think it would be fair to add a note to the section 'Physical feats' that these claims are NOT backed up by any real scientific investigation. They are mostly the opinion of one guy 'John Little' who clearly writes books for a living and has a vested intrest in making inflated claims about Bruces abilities.
Bruce himself NEVER made any claims like the ones made in this section. Maybe you could add this quote from the famous TV inverview with Bruce.
Pier re: Can you break five or six pieces of wood with your hand or foot? Bruce Lee: I'd probably break my hand and foot!
Vitaloverdose (talk) 18:30, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for your response Shaolin Samurai , I just think it would be more fair to add a note at the end of the section 'Physical feats' that the claims are just made by one person and are not FACT (John Little). Because at the moment its not clear from the article that these are just one persons opinions. Its very strange that a man who spent most of his life in front of cameras didnt film himself doing any of these unbeliveable feats of strength. I have seen a bit of film where Bruce takes a very long run up and does a side kick on a punch bag that makes it almost hit the celing and thats verifiable ( but not very remarkable ). But John Little's statement sounds like he could do this from a standing sidekick. Vitaloverdose (talk) 18:37, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
Not done
Actually, it is within the purview of WP:RSN to determine what is and is not an acceptable Reliable source. It may be best to review the issue with them and see what they say. Padillah (talk) 19:03, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
There. Request is in. Padillah (talk) 19:07, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
The article claims "Lee would ride the equivalent of 10 miles (about 16 kilometres) in 45 minutes on a stationary bike". This is very low, particularly for somebody of Lee's physical fitness. I average about 25 miles (40 kilometres) an hour at a steady but fairly vigorous speed. I'm fit by normal standards but would be like a Lada compared to Lee as a Ferrari in a race. This would mean that Lee only cycled at 15 mph which I find hard to believe as it most certainly isn't intensive riding. Are we certain these figures are correct?♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:10, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
Possible but I average about 30 km an hour on maximum load... I'm above average fitness but I'm hardly anywhere near Lee's league... It just seems low for him that's all... ♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:04, 29 January 2011 (UTC) Interestingly my average of about 40 kilometres an hour is about the same speed on average as the Tour de France cyclists who managed 3,642 km (2,263 mi) in 91h 58' 48" (average 39.60 km/h/24.61 mph). But a significant part of the course is uphill, not to mention wind resistance and they overcome exertion after several hours of riding! Rather different from an exercise bike!!! Those cyclists would undoubtedly be way quicker in the gym on a stationary bike!!! I doubt I could keep that pace beyond 2.5 hours, but maybe I'm underestimating how fit I am..... I would though find it extremely tough doing it for five hours at a time, let alone every day for three weeks!! I think my ass would ache more than my legs though on the saddle... ♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:15, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
I came here hoping to find out if he was left or right handed. There was no mention of that, or his apparent ambidexterity. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.234.164.237 (talk) 19:27, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Though I did not search for any text, going from two pictures found on pages 92 and 24 of "Bruce Lee:Artist of Life", and a scene from Enter the Dragon, Lee was right handed. I did not find a picture of him writing left handed, but that does not mean he couldn't. wiooiw (talk) 20:07, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
This section is very confusing. In paragraph 4, it says,
"The only substance found during the autopsy was Equagesic." There is no mention of marijuana or cannabis.
Then, in paragraph 7, it says,
"The preliminary opinion of the neurosurgeon who saved Lee's life during his first seizure, Peter Wu, was that the cause of death should have been attributed to either a reaction to cannabis or Equagesic. However, Wu later backed off from this position, stating that:
"Professor Teare was a forensic scientist recommended by Scotland Yard; he was brought in as an expert on cannabis and we can't contradict his testimony. The dosage of cannabis is neither precise nor predictable, but I've never known of anyone dying simply from taking it."[110] "
There is no mention of any other drugs between those paragraphs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Themom51 (talk • contribs) 01:35, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
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1. Please add the protection template to the article.
2. Please add {{otheruses}} to the article, as Bruce Lee (disambiguation) exists.
65.94.45.160 (talk) 05:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
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Somebody removed the death date and place in the infobox and i am asking can it be restore. 69.209.205.119 (talk) 20:47, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
The fight ended by Bruce knocking Uechi the length of the gymnasium. REF: Official cc 01596 Karate Vol2 No 2 Fall 1995, p. 61
I've moved this claim here until it can be verified. What in the world is "Official cc 01596"? Is this a magazine? Can the title be clarified and the author be attributed? I don't think this claim will hold up to much scrutiny, let alone physics. Warthomp (talk) 06:42, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
Should the introduction really state that Lee was a philosopher? I think this is stretching it. His University major was in drama, not in philosophy. A lot of the writings collected in "Tao of Jeet Kune Do" post humously were simply notes Lee had made from other philosophers. The famous "Be like water" quote is a rephrasing of Tao te ching. His first book "Gung Fu, the philosophical art of self-defence" can hardly be considered a philosophical thesis. Any martial arts teacher has a certain fighting philosophy. Although there have been published books which attempt to capitalize on Lee's name and portray him as a philosopher, much of the material is in fact rewritings of traditional eastern philosophy. As a comparison, Elvis Presley is not listed as a philosopher on Wikipedia just because "The Tao of Elvis" was published by one of his fans.
I also think the philosophy part in the article does not meet the standards expected of an encyclopedic article, especially the quotes section. It should be deleted or rewritten into a coherent paragraph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ugh3n (talk • contribs) 19:57, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
He was Kim Tai Chung,a martial artist from South Korean who played "Billy Lo" in the 1978 moive Game of Death,a moive Bruce lee did not finish due to his sudden death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.168.119.68 (talk) 00:15, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
This is from Talk:Touch_of_Death#Bruce Lee and the "Touch of Death" but seems more applicable to this article assuming it can be verified and the book The Tao of Bruce Lee is considered a reliable source.
--Marc Kupper|talk 00:08, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
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The information in the "Games" section of this Bruce Lee article is unsubstantiated and incomplete. The section claims that two fighting game characters are based on Bruce Lee. Judging from the appearance and fighting styles of both characters, Bruce Lee does seem to be the influence for their design. However, there is no source such as an interview with the characters' designers, etc. The claim that these two characters are based on Bruce Lee comes from the author's personal judgment.
There was an actual Bruce Lee video game in 1984 for computer systems out at the time, including the Atari 800. Here is a link to the Gamefaqs page about the Atari 800 version: http://www.gamefaqs.com/atari8bit/937853-bruce-lee
If the claims that Bruce Lee was the basis for the two fighting game characters’ designs cannot be proven, it should be removed. The information about the 1984 game should be inserted regardless.
Thank you.
75.61.129.24 (talk) 18:22, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Hey, I want to add a qoute of his, but I don't see an edit button. What gives? Love,TheLittlestTerrorist (talk) 18:19, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Mr. Novak seems to have a fairly important early role in Lee's life, according to the info in these references: . Could someone work this into the article, if I dont get around to it. He needs his own article.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 08:31, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm an American citizen, born in Ohio, that has lived in China for close 10 years (Jan 2002). Since then, I've married a Chinese and have had 2 kids born in Shanghai. It is legally impossible by both US & Chinese law to be American/Chinese citizen. I looked into it, I spoke with high dollar lawyers. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE DUAL CITIZENSHIP BETWEEN THE 2 COUNTRIES!!!! Bruce Lee was a person born in China that became an American. please correct your literature and while at it, check the laws. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.38.77.27 (talk) 13:46, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure "Chinese American" is not at all referring to dual citizenship. Lee was born in the U.S. and so is a full American citizen COMPLETELY LEGAL. The added word "Chinese" is in reference to his genetic identity. As is the term African American does not refer to dual citizenship of U.S. and Africa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.193.62.206 (talk) 10:05, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
In Linda's rendition of Lee's life, she briefly mentions his usage of body electrodes and electric shocks to exercise his body. A documentary on Lee's life I watched many years ago blamed his ever-increasing usage of electrical body shocks as the cause of his death. I don't see any mention of this at all in this article. Is this a controversial issue? – Paine Ellsworth ( CLIMAX ) 07:34, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
As an ACSM-CPT I can not see how the stim treatment could do that08:29, 15 December 2011 (UTC)MPB21 — Preceding unsigned comment added by MPB21 (talk • contribs)
"Lee defeated three-time champion British boxer Gary Elms". I can't find any other sources that even mention this name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reonidas (talk • contribs) 05:14, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
it already says earlier in the article that the tournament took place only one year after lee had begun to be taught boxing at xavier by brother ___. he also had only studied kung fu starting at 13, and got little sparring because his mother was half german. this was obviously not a hong kong high school championship, as stated in the article, but a tournament between a few catholic schools with novice school boy boxers, and gary elms was NOT a 3-time champion. a lot of the sources for this information were from bruce lee's friend (and employee), who was hardly impartial and a noted liar. bruce lee won ONE novice school-boy tournament between a few catholic schools and had limited kung fu training in hong kong as well, if you really look at the dates and facts of this article. nothing against the man, but sometimes it's hard to separate fact from fiction when it comes to his admirers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.98.209.199 (talk) 04:26, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
Odd that Gary Elms is a three-time British boxing champion but his name can only be found in articles or books about Bruce Lee. The sport of boxing is pretty well known for keeping exhaustive records at least as far back as 1882. 211.133.143.74 (talk) 05:27, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
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