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The flag shown in the article is NOT the flag of Austria-Hungary. It is the common merchant ensign (well, not entirely, two coat of arms have to be added). The Austrian-Hungarian monarchy didn't have a common national flag. Each of the two entities had their own one. There was just a common merchant, marine and war ensign (see for further details) Gugganij 19:42, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The book Österreich-Ungarn, Die Donaumonarchie in historischen Dokumenten, Salzburg 1984. (Austria-Hungary, The Danube Monarchy in historical documents) written by Alexander Sixtus von Reden states the following (translated from German): Common flags of both states (i.e. the Danube monarchy) were the red-white-red war and naval flag with a crowned shield of arms added (in use since 1786) (example: War Ensign of 1880-1915 (Kriegsflagge)) in ) [...] The common merchant flag is a combination of the war flag and the Hungarian flag supplemented with the small Hungarian coat of arms (example: Merchant Ensign, 1869-1918 in ).
In the German language Wikipedia we had a similar discussion (de:Diskussion:Österreich-Ungarn).
Unfortunately, I don't think that we can use the flags of and under the GNU-FDL(see their copyright statements). Gugganij 23:54, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Since the flag shown in the article is wrong, I think we should remove it. Gugganij 12:19, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Is it o.k. when I remove the flag in 4 days? Gugganij 22:45, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
As discussed above, there was no common national flag of Austria Hungary (the one shown in the box is therefore wrong). Additionally the flag shown in the box (red-white-red without any emblem) became the official flag of the Republic of Austria (1918), but was not used before. I am going to remove them within a week. Any comments? Gugganij 12:43, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I removed the flags. Gugganij 22:52, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I removed the "Flag" of Austria-Hungary again. This kind of flag did simply not exist. Gugganij 17:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm a Habsburg and the flag is the official flag —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.129.27.64 (talk) 02:27, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
That flag was just the navy flag of the common navy. I'm monarchist and historical educated, and I know that Austria-Hungary had no common flag, just an Army and Navy Flag which were both actually not in use. The flag of the austrian half was black-yellow, of the lands of the hungarian crown was red-white-green. Together they had just a common coat of arms. They had two governments, just had the minister of finances and the foreign minister in common. Eromae (talk) 19:36, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Are you sure turkish was official language of Austria-Hungary? I never heard about that and aso the german wiki article mentions turkish nowhere. Bosnia was officially part of the ottoman empire for a while but I'm quite sure turkish was never recognized as official language of the monarchy. also the link that is used as cite for the languages doesnt show turkish anywhere. Eromae (talk) 15:00, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Those two were linked by a government under a monarch wielding, in theory, absolute power, although in practice the power of the monarch was limited. The monarch’s common government was responsible for the army, navy, foreign policy, and the customs union.
How accurate is the claim that the dual monarch held absolute power? What I've read elsewhere suggested that the monarch did in fact wield absolute power as Emperor of Austria, having authority (which was exercised on occasion) to suspend constitutional government and make law as an autocrat, his powers as King of Hungary were more limited by the Diet. Shimmin 17:21, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC)
The national anthem of Austria-Hungary was not Gott erhalte Franz den Kaiser. It had the same melody but different lyrics (Gott erhalte, Gott beschütze, unsern Kaiser, unser Land...). Additionally, I am not quite sure if the anthem was also the national anthem of the Hungarian part of Austria-Hungary. I try to find out. Gugganij 10:39, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
By the way, that's the German text of the anthem since 1854:
1. Gott erhalte, Gott beschütze Unsern Kaiser, unser Land! Mächtig durch des Glaubens Stütze, Führ' er uns mit weiser Hand! Laßt uns seiner Väter Krone Schirmen wider jeden Feind! |: Innig bleibt mit Habsburgs Throne Österreichs Geschick vereint! :|
2. Fromm und bieder, wahr und offen Laßt für Recht und Pflicht uns stehn; Laßt, wenns gilt, mit frohem Hoffen Mutvoll in den Kampf uns gehn Eingedenk der Lorbeerreiser Die das Heer so oft sich wand |: Gut und Blut für unsern Kaiser, Gut und Blut fürs Vaterland! :|
3. Was der Bürger Fleiß geschaffen Schütze treu des Kaisers Kraft; Mit des Geistes heitren Waffen Siege Kunst und Wissenschaft! Segen sei dem Land beschieden Und sein Ruhm dem Segen gleich; |: Gottes Sonne strahl' in Frieden Auf ein glücklich Österreich!
4. Laßt uns fest zusammenhalten, In der Eintracht liegt die Macht; Mit vereinter Kräfte Walten Wird das Schwere leicht vollbracht, Laßt uns Eins durch Brüderbande Gleichem Ziel entgegengehn |: Heil dem Kaiser, Heil dem Lande, Österreich wird ewig stehn! :|
5.An des Kaisers Seite waltet, Ihm verwandt durch Stamm und Sinn, Reich an Reiz, der nie veraltet, Uns're holde Kaiserin. Was als Glück zu höchst gepriesen Ström' auf sie der Himmel aus: |: Heil Franz Josef, Heil Elisen, Segen Habsburgs ganzem Haus! :|
6.Heil auch Öst'reichs Kaisersohne, Froher Zukunft Unterpfand, Seiner Eltern Freud' und Wonne, Rudolf tönt's im ganzen Land, Unsern Kronprinz Gott behüte, Segne und beglücke ihn, |: Von der ersten Jugendblüthe Bis in fernste Zeiten hin. :|
Gugganij 10:39, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I've moved the links to the term 'Austro-Hungarian Empire' to that page which I've disambiguated. People often use this terminology for the country prior to 1867. Suggestions for further link consolidation are welcome... --Joy [shallot] 00:18, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Sargeras 19:52, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
I figure it's local bias, people from areas that used to be part of the Kingdom of Hungary tend to refer to it like that because it may have been supremely Austrian but the Hungarians still had precedence/influence. Regardless, it is indicative that Transleithania was of the same size or larger than Cisleithania for at least 68 years before the Ausgleich (and after that they existed like that for 51 year). --Joy [shallot] 01:12, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
You'd have to go through many of the articles to make sure the links are accurate. The article where I found this was Nikola Tesla (and Biography of Nikola Tesla), for example, where it refers to the Military Frontier as Austro-Hungarian (which is not so wrong because it wasn't part of either Cisleithania or Transleithania) in 1856. --Joy [shallot] 11:40, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
I don't know about the timing of that terminology, I was merely trying to say that the Hungarian domain was noticably large before the creation of Austria-Hungary (indeed, that was one of the main reasons for the latter action). The Military Frontier was finally abolished only in 1881, so it had to have existed in 1856. I don't know whether the Austrians considered it part of KoH, but it was centrally administered by Austrian military leaders from Vienna, not Budapest, so I wouldn't go so far to say that it was a part of KoH. --Joy [shallot] 20:52, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Qertis wrote: This is absolutely ridiculous. Wikipedia should not become a collection of nonsenses.
Please go through all those links and verify that the references themselves aren't "nonsensical", too. --Joy [shallot] 20:16, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
And just as I was beginning to think that I may just be going off on a tangent here, my watchlist came up with this diff. The paragraph explicitly talks of 18th century, and yet the term used is "Austro-Hungarian Empire". And that anon. user mistakenly linked it directly to Austria-Hungary. --Joy [shallot] 20:27, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I think we ought to create an article at Habsburg Monarchy which discusses the Habsburg agglomeration as it existed between 1526 and 1918, in order to avoid both incorrect usage of Austria-Hungary and a useless link to Austria. Currently, Habsburg Monarchy redirects to Habsburg, which is a decidedly confusing article, in that it's not sure what it's about. (At the very least, all the different lists on Habsburg ought to be moved elsewhere, I think.) john k 00:06, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I've had a go at creating it at Habsburg Monarchy. Mostly it's just trying to elaborate what the monarchy consisted of, and how it was organized. Pretty barebones. But a start, I think. john k 03:58, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)
john k and Joy, I'm reading this entry precisely because an article I was reading somewhere else, celebrating the 150th anniversary of Freud's birth, said he was born "in the Austro-Hungarian Empire on May 6, 1856", and I was thinking "er, no, that was still the *Austrian Empire*". I knew this not because I'm a historian or particularly interested in the period, but because I'm Hungarian, and 1867 is one of the twenty or so dates we usually remember from our grade school history lessons (provided we ever paid any attention at all :-)) I think it's more likely that the mix-up or extension of meaning is fairly common in non-historian circles *outside* the area (this one was an American article), but I've certainly never encountered it in Hungary. I suspect Austrians would be unlikely to make this mistake, though I imagine that the nations that were under Hungarian rule and justifiably resented this situation might not see much difference between the pre-1867 and the post-1867 period (as Joy said). Arankine 23:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
The correct border between Austria and Hungary crossed in the middle of the Istrian peninsula dividing it in two parts approximately equal.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.211.172.86 (talk • contribs) 16:18, 26 April 2005 (UTC)
Hmm... that map needs formatting, but I don't know how to do it. Could anyone teach me, or should I give the job to someone else? Sargeras 19:52, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
Seeing as it's a historical map, do you think it should say somewhere what the other countries on it are? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.152.229 (talk) 04:38, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
The article on Franz Kafka has been listed to be improved on Wikipedia: This week's improvement drive. Add your vote there if you want to support the article.--Fenice 06:17, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
I believe you need to change it from the "mid-1900's" to the early-1900's".
The disputes between the halves of the empire culminated in the mid-1900s in a prolonged constitutional crisis -- triggered by disagreement over the language of command in Hungarian army units, and deepened by the advent to power in Budapest (April 1906) of a Hungarian nationalist coalition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.98.174.43 (talk • contribs) 21:23, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
twice it's suggested in this article that the power-vacuum in austria following WW1 somehow led to the rise of naziism 10 years later. Now I'm not a big history buff, but this seems a dubious claim. Hitler's ascendancy as I understand it was the result of events more or less exclusively within Germany (collapse of the mark, prolonged economic hardship, hatred of communism, resentment of jews, etc.) Is the article suggesting that a strong authority in Austria would have acted as a check on Hitler, and would not have been so easily subjugated by him?
Perhaps just the wording of the article should be changed, so it's not suggested that the Austro-hungarian dissolution led directly to Hitler's rise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.53.158.201 (talk • contribs) 16:17, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
I replaced the old infobox with the standard one. The old one cluttered up the edit page with code. The red links in the infobox need to be fixed though. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable about those things (population density, etc) can fix them.--Kross | Talk 07:27, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
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I hope the infobox at the top of this article will be fixed. Now it is way too wide. Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 01:47, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
Where does the information that Latin was Austria-Hungary's offical language come from?
AFAIK, the official languages for the two halves were different. At least in Cisleithania, I am reasonably sure that laws were enacted in all major languages. Latin may have been an official language in the Hungarian half. Martg76 17:50, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
I think we need to remove the black-yellow flag from the infobox, since it gives the impression that it was the common national flag, which is not true. Gugganij 21:15, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
(copied here from a discussion about Franz Joseph I of Austria biography)
Austria-Hungary was not one the last European multi-national countries: Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Romania, Poland (Germans, Belorussians, Unkrainians, Lithuanians), Switzerland, Spain (see the tensions there), Bulgaria (Turks), Germany (Poles), Soviet Union, Finland (Swedes), and so on.
Neither it was multi-ethnic state, at least in simple understanding. It was loose federation of two and half countries (Austria, Hungay and Bosnia) where ethnic relations wildly varied from place to place. Pavel Vozenilek 22:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be most appropriate if we wrote Serbo-Croatian instead of Serbian, Croatian and Bosnian? --HolyRomanEmperor 14:44, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Message to User:Elephantus that reverted my edit: How come? The Bosnian language didn't exist back then, and the Serbian and Croatian weren't considered seperate. What did you mean? --HolyRomanEmperor 20:17, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
One of the recent edits changed the title under the map in the article from "Austria–Hungary in 1913" to "Austria–Hungary in Europe". I think the "in Europe" part is absolutely unnecessary since the map shows it but it doesn't show the year. --cassini83 19:02, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Something doesnt fit about languages in Kustenland: In the article it has been written that slovenian was the main language (37.3%) while italian is ranked second (around 34%). Yet I see in the article on Austrian Littoral that italians summed up to 237616 while slovenian were 209698.... I suspect that the data about slovenian as main language is manipulated. It is a well known slovenian claim..that at the time of the Austrian Empire Trieste belonged to Slovenia...
The article says that capital of Dalmatia was Zadar. The map says Split. Which one's wrong? --Dijxtra 08:56, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Is there any information to be included that represents popular culture? Were there any magazines? For example, in the Czech area there was Zlata Praha and Cesky Svet. There must be others. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.151.21 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
Since you use current names for other cities, it would be correct to list the capital of Galicia (Halychyna) as Lviv, its Ukrainian name, rather that Lemberg. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tturula (talk • contribs) 01:25, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
There are official names of Austria-Hungary in German and Hungarian in the table. Why there is no name in latin. Wasn't it one of the official languages of this state?--133.41.4.46 18:22, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi: I am planning to change the name of this article to the Austro–Hungarian Empire because it was an empire and not just a 'country' like Italy, Serbia and Spain. The Austrian Empire is labelled by the title of empire and so is Germany in these times which the Austro-Hungarian Empire was like as well. Basic idea is: the Wikipedia title implies the country was more like the single ethnic group kingdoms or republics and not an empire like its predicessor the Austrian Empire or its neighbour and ally the German Empire. Feel free to comment and give feedback on the move here! Vadac (talk) 00:58, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
(I would like to move the article soon and I would like to do it myself! Just put a tag below whether you agree or disagree with the title change.)
you should use for Austria and Hungary the medium coat of arms, at the moment you are useing fpr Austria the small and for Hungary the medium! This is the medium coat of arms of Austria: http://images.google.at/imgres?imgurl=http://www.adler-wien.at/wDeutsch/img/heraldik/staats/gr_reichswappen.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.adler-wien.at/wDeutsch/heraldik/staats/hw_001.shtml&h=298&w=452&sz=23&hl=de&start=1&tbnid=n0FNQMmnBNscfM:&tbnh=84&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmittleres%2Bwappen%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dde%26lr%3D —195.3.113.55 (talk • contribs) 17:20, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Why is the Republic of Poland listed in the successor states? I mean, I know that it was created back then - but larger portions of territory were annexed by the Kingdom of Italy and oh-so-much the Kingdom of Romania. Why makes Poland more important? --PaxEquilibrium 13:47, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
Where would be a good place for military subtopics, such as the presently orphaned topic Army Slav, which was a partial solution for multi-language military units (also anyone who might know where to find more sources? I've not gotten further than what I got from the only source I know of -- the idea of such a small historical language interests me). -- Strangelv 11:02, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
A section underneath economics on the military might be of use. john k 15:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Er....a little voice tells me that part of the following extract from the article is vandalism:
Colin4C 21:23, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Great info on the Austro-Hungarian Empire - seems a shame we can't get the original German, or at least somehting pretty close. Anyone? Shamanjim 17:47, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
I would like to ask why it was important to have the name of the country in Lithuanian? It would be nice to get a good answer for this. Wasn't it originally ment to be written in the languages of the peoples of the Empire? Or do we want to put it out in all the languages of the world? Then why don't we have it in Kyrgyz yet (for example)? Sorry for asking, please, somebody answer, and take action too, let's be consequent. Thank you. Danke. Dziękuję. Děkuji. Dakujem. Diakuiu. Hvala. Mulţumesc. Köszönöm.
Ditto for Norwegian - was that an official language? I think not - I'll try to check the edit history... Stevebritgimp 19:29, 26 September 2007 (UTC) Dankon. Diolch. Tapadh leibh.
Such parts as Kraków belonged to the Austro Hungarian Empire. Check out the following wiki articles for explanation (or just read about them elsewhere): Kraków, Galicia, Jagellonian University (for instance...)
This article does not meet the threshold for verifiability outlined under wikipedia's policies (see also WP:CITE) and necessitated for GA status, therefore I am quick-failing it. If the editors have any questions about this review, they are welcome to leave a message on my talk page. Awadewit | talk 23:42, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Something is really fishy about this table, aside from that fact that no source is cited. For one thing, no date for the statistics is given, making them meaningless. Furthermore, I suspect that they are invented out of whole cloth; for instance, according to the chart the percentages of the most common language in Galicia and the "other language"(!), Polish and Ukrainian respectively, add up to 98.8% - never mind the fact that there were significant Yiddish, Ruthenian and German speaking populations there. I'm going to leave the chart for now, but someone should look into this. Bws2002 00:34, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
There is indeed something profoundly wrong in this table. The source cited appears to be the correct one, but I reckon highly unlikely that there were 43% italian speakers in Tyrol in 1910. My understanding is that there were only 3%, and that only in South Tyrol. Since this table is crucial to convey a correct insight on the Austro-Hungarian Empire, it is urgent to correct it. --Bertrandeborn (talk) 11:31, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
The second half of 'Ethnic relations' is very poorly written - eg. "and not also community" (phrasing) "From Juny 1907 (lex Apponyi)" (?) "the fourth class" (Year/Grade 4; fourth year of schooling) "although it was far less violent than the politics of the new-founded states" (what new-founded states?). Can we get it clarified by whoever wrote it? +Hexagon1 (t) 08:56, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
I was looking for explanation of Coat of Arms of Austria-Hungary, but there is no article on this subject. I would very much like to know what do individual parts mean or represent... thanx in advance --217.23.248.117 (talk) 20:41, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
The article is a confusing mix of history and state structure. As an article about a former state (and as such, different from article about a period of history for several modern countries) it should be rewritten into a state article - see Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth for an example. The following sections are needed: History of Austria-Hungary, Government, Economy, Geography and Administration, and so on. I see that most of that exists in the article but is confusingly thrown around. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 23:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
07-Dec-2008: I have added subheaders above as "Topics from 2006" (etc.) to emphasize the dates of topics in the talk-page. Older topics might still apply, but using the year headers helps to focus on more current issues as well. Afterward, I shortened auto-signature notes.
Then I added "Talk-page subpages" beside the TOC. -Wikid77 (talk) 19:02, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
07-Dec-2008: Due to narrow text, on 800x600 screens, I have widened the top text by splitting the one large FixHTML table, and stacking the infoboxes as separate tables. Somewhere in those 10 templates, a formatting error forced the infoboxes to go over-wide. In general, it is dangerous to combine all boxes as one large table, because an error in formatting can force all tables to go berserk and overtake the page, not knowing which among all 7 combined infoboxes contained the formatting error. Perhaps the error could be in those 3 omitted FixHTML templates, beyond the 7 infoboxes. Anyway, to stack floating infoboxes, create an outer infobox, as follows:
{| class=infobox <!--begin stacked History infoboxes--> |{{History of Austria}} |-<!--next row--> |{{History of Hungary}} |-<!--next row--> |{{History of Croatia}} |}<!--end stacked History infoboxes-->
Those 3 infoboxes required the outer infobox to avoid spreading the boxes across the page. However, in general, try to keep each infobox as a separate table, coding in sequence after other tables (with "class=infobox"). For more about wikitables, see: HELP:Table. Thousands of articles use tables in "{|" and "|}" MediaWiki notation. -Wikid77 (talk) 19:02, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
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