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The name 'Asian people' would be consistent with other articles of this type.
i was thinking that this article deserves a paragraph on how avians are statistically better at video games than white people because they have shorter limbs which are naturally made up for by faster reflexes and movements. what do you guys think? Subtle one 07:51, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Another thing that should be added is that it is a well known fact that all asians cheat.
Isn't this redundant since the people who call themselves by the term asian only do so because they were labelled as such by others in the first place.
Why all pictures are female asians? Shouldn't be better if there was a male celebrity picture? Someone from a different country that the ones represented, like a Chinese men or something.
Added Indian actor John Abraham for the balance of two South Asian males and two females. By the way, User:Dark Tichondrias, I must remark that your attitude is very "WASPY", doing everything only "in accordance" to everything, and pretending to be "civil". That's not a "personal" attack, is it? Act angry at whomever attacks you, man. Le Anh-Huy 20:55, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Finally, a balance: Four East Asians, four South Asians! Four males, four females! Le Anh-Huy 21:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Someone keeps removing all the pictures! There used to be a balance of pictures representing people from all parts of Asia, not only East Asia. Please people, to maintain the neutrality of this article, stop posting just East Asians and removing all the South Asians. If you are of the school of thought where south Asians are not Asian, please stick to the Asian-AMERICAN article. Anyone know how to determine if we're breaking copyright with certain pictures? I want to put in a picture each of a South Asian man and woman posted elsewhere in wikipedia. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by GdaMan (talk • contribs) .
Stop changing the picture of Japanese James Iha. Are you trying to ignore the billions of Asian male in the world or something, they are going to wake up (Personal attack removed) , drink your water. If you are afraid of that, face the fact and deal with it and don't ignore Asian male pictures. This is ridiculous. They are not ignoring European male pictures do they? Stop changing this. I think the person that includes Asian female pictures are probably 1) (Personal attack removed) 2)Phobia of Asian male 3) (Personal attack removed) 4) (Personal attack removed) 5) Doesn't want his or her daughter to end up being married to an Asian male because they are too many 5) (Personal attack removed) Stop changing these pictures, damn it!.71.196.236.162 05:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
On the above text from User:71.196.236.162 I removed the personal attacks against me in accordance with the Wikipedia Policy to Remove Personal Attacks.--Dark Tichondrias 17:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
As for this article there is deviation, it is eurocentric. The is the inhabitant of the Asian human Asian . Something happened to the photograph of the Persian actor of the page? We need the image of the Russian and the Turkish person of the Persian person of the Arabian. The south Asian people above this of the “Asian person” and the aforementioned race group or are not fewer. indo aryan resembles race the Persian person and the Afghan person from the Far East and with the mongoloid Asian person. As for this article it is necessary to be taken balance. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.169.1.74 (talk • contribs).
Yeah, BUT CULTURALLY AND PHILOSOPHICALLY, South Asians are closer to East Asians than Arabs, Persians, and Afghans could ever be. There's NO POINT for race classification for this article. Besides, many Mongoloids may get mistaken for Caucasoids anyway, and vice versa. Go to Russia, you can't always tell the difference between a white Slav from someone from the Caucasus. or an Asian from Central Asia or Siberia. Northern Asians often "look" Caucasoid too. You think a Siberian or a Japanese has anything to do with a Lao, in terms of ethnic origins? But at least, they might share many cultural, social, and aesthetic patterns that are unique to Asia-Pacific (Dharmic religions, ancestor worship, etc.) Le Anh-Huy 22:49, 18 June 2006 (UTC) (UTC)
The assertion that Mongoloids could be mistaken for Caucasoids is complete rubbish. They are never classified as Caucasoid in any dictionary or encyclopedia nor do they belong to any Indo-European races or speak any Indo-Iranian languges. Some Japanese have higher bridged noses etc. but are still unmistakably Mongoloid. This can also be proven on the EURASIAN page where mixed offsprings of whites and East Asians are more noticably `Eurasian' than the Anglo-Indians. Are the racist terms used by Westerners for East Asians the same as the ones used for South Asians? - NO! After the 9/11 attacks many Pakistanis and Sikhs became the victims of prejudice. I didn't hear of many Chinese, Japanese or Koreans being victims. Most Pakistanis I've met (Many of whom are indistinguishable from West Asians and even Southern Europeans) feel more closer to West Asians than to people from the Far-East. India also has the largest Muslm Minority - A West Asian Religion!! I do not dispute the fact that not all South Asians are Caucasoid. The Dravidians have Australoid traits as well, and there are `Mongoiloid elements in the Eastern borders. Anthropologically however, in modern classification of races the word `Asian' in racial terms has also been a polite word to substitute the word `Mongoloid', which constitutes about 5% of India's population. More photos have been added to the page but none of the ones of West Asians. EITHER ADD THEM OR DELETE THE IMAGES OF SOUTH ASIANS ALL TOGETHER!
P.S. If a South Asian [South Indian] was exceptionally dark skinned many Westerners (especially in the U.K. or Australia) would be more inclined to dub them as being `Black' rather than `Asian'. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.169.8.105 (talk • contribs) .
You're tone is unnecessarily too defensive for reasons I do not understand. Why such anger? This discussion page should be for ideas not fully discussed, not rants.
From my (subjective) experience, I noticed that the only South Asians who "feel closer" to West Asians are Islamists who feel an aversion to their own culture. ie. Self-hating, Indian Muslims who secretly wished they were Arab, and are ashamed of their own South Asian, Dharmic-Brahmanic heritage. I've met moderate Pakistani and Indian Muslims who still feel closer to East Asians, not only in terms of aesthetic and culinary tastes (tea, rice, curry- of Indian origin- is eaten all over East Asia as legitimate localized dishes!, and NOT known in the Middle East), but in terms of a few other things. I've met many East Asians who are mistreated in airports. Any East Asian who does not look immediately stereotypical will be mistaken for Hispanic or even Middle-Eastern; as a person of East Asian descent, I get routinely mistaken for both of those two groups while I travel.
Perhaps your bias and conclusive opinions of East Asians is due to lack of adaequate exposure. ie. perhaps you are exposed only to stereotypical Asian people. And also, when South Asians are mistaken for black, it is because of ignorant observers who lack exposure, and have only fixed impressions of how certain people should look. Many of my South Asian friends are expecially annoyed when they are mistaken for being black.
And also, I find when East Asians mix with either South or Mid-Easterners, the appearance of their offspring will not "contrast" and will appear "normal". For instance, when South Asians and East Asians mix, their offspring will appear naturally either of the two ,and not some "hybrid". Just like when Middle Easterners mix with East Asians, their offspring will appear either north Asian or Central Asian, and not a "hybrid" of the two.
Le Anh-Huy 09:58, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
To the angry guy above, as a person of South Asian heritage, I get very offended when people in my home country, the US, tell me I am not Asian. Keep in mind that the word "Asian" is colored by a person's own perspective on the word's usage. You may not think we are Asian, but if you speak to my counterparts in the UK, parts of Europe where they learn English as a second language, and even throughout Africa, you will find that stereotypical "Asians" are of south Asian descent, not East. This article's neutrality must be preserved, and in order to do so, then we have to recognize all people from Asia as Asian, and not only people from certain regions. Keep an open mind. "Asian" is not limited only to racial appearance, but by culture as well. From that broader perspective, then Asians are usually defined as the people from East, Southeast, and South Asia. By the way, the largest Muslim country in the world is Indonesia, which is in Southeast Asia, so the fact that a western religion, Islam, is prevalent in India, is in no way a connection that South Asians have with Middle Easterners.
I can't keep doing it or will run afoul of the 3RR. --Lukobe 21:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
This section contains one doozy of a run-on sentence: By the late 20th century, the term had gathered associations in North America with older attitudes now seen as outmoded, and was replaced with the term "Asian" as part of the updating of much language concerning race, which critics on the right derided as political correctness. And I think the last clause, regarding political correctness, isn't really necessary; it just adds excessive length to the sentence, but does not warrant having its own sentence. I think removing that last bit might help the sentence be less awkward, without sacrificing any important information. Unless anyone thinks that the fact that the right called it political correctness is critical information, I'll go ahead and remove it. Canuck90 05:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
As a Filipino, from my experiece, just about everyone in the Philippines calls themselves "Asian", contradicting this article. Plus, Filipinos are the most genetically similar (see Filipino people article) to South Chinese than Pacific Islanders. Should that bit of the article be removed, specially as it has no citation or source? Chilledsunshine 20:20, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
to make it consistent with White (people)
i think someone has done a bit of vandalism. there is a picture of Bill Cosby in the section on census. there is also a mean little bit about Spencer Abraham. thanx.
Can someone else (Not I, the lowly Anon) move this talk page over to the Asian (people) article?--66.16.19.198 23:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
here.
I think Western Asians should be included here. They live in the Asian (sub)continent. South Asians generally look closer to West Asians so I don't see why Persians, Arabs, and Turks aren't included here. Zachorious 19:39, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
Technically, West Asians are Asian, but from the way this article looks, it seems like it's describing groups of people who actually identify themselves as "Asian," either in Western society or within the Asian continent. By the way, the Subcontinent is synonymous with South Asia, which does not usually include West Asians. By appearance west Asians may have more of a connection to South Asians, but for the majority of South Asians, the similarity ends there. Keep in mind, many West Asians could pass for Oriental as well. It's just a few West Asian countries, like Afghanistan (which is sometimes included as South Asia) where people may look south Asian, while in others, particularly in the Middle East, they pass more for Caucasian. This being an article about the inhabitants of Asia, west Asians could fit in. But I guess my point is it makes no sense including them if they themselves rarely evoke the term "Asian" in any society.—Preceding unsigned comment added by User:GdaMan (talk • contribs)
True true. But then again, even a lot of East Asians don't even fit the so-called stereo-typical "look" for Asians. Myself, my Japanese and my Kazakh friends always get bugged at the airport. Le Anh-Huy 20:14, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
At present, this article classifies all the ethnic groups of both China and India as 'Asian'. If they all conform even vaguely to the same stereotypical notion of what an Asian looks like, I'd like to know what this stereotype is, because I can't see any distinctive common features. It seems to me rather that different countries attach different meanings to 'Asian': for example, the word tends to mean 'South Asian' in the UK and even excludes the Chinese for census purposes, while in the USA the word implies 'East Asian' in common parlance. While this article does conform to the current US Census definition of Asian, presenting this as the principal definition, before discussing local definitions, seems biased to me. Perhaps instead the article should start by saying there is no international consensus on the meaning of the word, even among English-speaking countries, but that its meaning is usually more restrictive than 'people from Asia'. How equivalent words are used in other languages, such as those spoken in Asia, is another matter again, but I suspect in many languages there is an adjective that simply means 'from/of Asia' rather than the more specific meanings of 'Asian'.Incompetent 15:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
Some people are left out because they are Asian. People usually say they are chinese even though they are maybe not.
I'd feel bad removing these two sentences completely, but as it were it is not professional or encyclopedic and is mostly nonsense. Could someone possibly translate this into something more meaningful? Otherwise, consensus for deletion? Keakealani 23:26, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
are muslims or arabs considered to be asian in the uk?
If the extent Dharmic relgion were used to define Asia as a place, then current common usage of the term "Asian" follows from origins in the original peoples of Asia.
Leaving aside how poorly this caption is written, does the map even belong as the first graphic in this article? --Lukobe 18:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the section "When is a person not Asian?" due to the fact that it is essentially redundant and isn't particularly well phrased anyway. If anyone has any objections or would like to fix it, here it is: ==When is a person not Asian?== Despite the fact that these people are technically 'Asians' by geographical location, they have generally not been labeled as such in parts of or in some cases all of [[Western world|West]]ern society. However, in many occasions, the term "Asian" is also used as a description of certain cultures.
I have also moved the 'South Asians' section to "Asians in the UK and Anglophone Africa, since it is redundant to have the same discussion in two separate places.
—Keakealani //Pokeh// 00:08, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
It would be nice if a southeast asian(of the malayo-polynesia austronesian stock) is represented in the pictures on the top of the page. --Chicbicyclist 23:18, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
In the section "Asian" in Asia, at least one of the captions is misleading. David Wu, who is of Chinese descent, would be considered Asian in the USA Census and the Australian Census but not in the UK Census. The classifications in the Australian census are:
The Broad Groupings distinguish between south-east Asian, north-east Asian and southern and central Asian and do not appear to aggregate more highly to "Asian".
For the UK (see Census 2001 Ethnic Codes) there is a broad grouping of "Asian" and a broad grouping of "Chinese or other" - coding would almost always be to the second level ie 81 not 8. I don't see the significant difference to the Australian approach.
In the US, Asian — A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, The Philippines, Thailand, and Vietnam. It includes “Asian Indian,” “Chinese,” “Filipino,” “Korean,” “Japanese,” “Vietnamese,” and “Other Asian.” The coding does indeed seem to roll up to "Asian".
There is some point being made here that I can't quite see. I think the assertion being inferred is that in the UK, if you are Chinese you are not Asian. That is a long bow. It may be that Chinese are aggregated separately from other Asians for census purposes because of the numbers in the past and hence the categorisation has been how to break the population down into reasonably sized classifications. It does not necessarily follow that Chinese does not equal Asian in the UK. However, it may be that the world view from the UK is different. For example, the scope of the School of Oriental and African Studies includes China and Africa together. I think more sophisticated refernces need to be used to make the point however that in the UK, Chinese are not considered Asians and/or Oriental and African is often grouped together.
"Would be considered Asian, ...would not be considered Asian seems original research. Statistical categorisation and aggregation does not equal "would be considered". If what is meant is "categorised", the article needs to say so and then also say in the case of "not categorised", what the categorisation was.--Arktos talk 00:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
It's like some editors are so desperate to have a Caucasian group included in the Asian category, but you don't want Middle Easterners (even though they live in Asia too) because they've becom so controversial. Notice how the word Oriental became politically incorrect for no good reason. It's only because Oriental reminds people that Asians are not Caucasian, and by creating a new category called Asian, some take comfort in associating themselves with Indians because they're Caucasian.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 64.230.32.51 (talk • contribs) .
I'm not quite sure why citations would be needed to state that Asians in the UK are primarily South Asian, but as for the Anglophone Africa part, does anyone out there think these two articles would work? One is from a University and mentions that Asians are primarily Indian there and even uses the term to describe Indians. The other is from the NY Times which also points out that Asians are mostly Indian in South Africa. So does anybody think either of these would fit the citations?
http://www.cidcm.umd.edu/inscr/mar/assessment.asp?groupId=56001
http://travel2.nytimes.com/2004/07/15/travel/NYT_ALMANAC_WORLD_SOUTH_AFRICA.html?ex=1158379200&en=5c39fd0ef0f3e4d8&ei=5070 GdaMan 08:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)GdaMan
Is there any particular reason why this article is called Asian (people) and not Asian people or Asians? --Ezeu 06:01, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Ezeu, I think that the word phrase Asian People sounds racist, the word Asian is already People of a continent, seriously, i find this title rite now racist, it should be Asian(people).jackietang33 06:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Should we also mention what the term Asian means in Asia? Obviously things are somewhat different here since in Asia, "Asians" would generally not be used and instead more descriptive words chosen. However, most Asians who speak English would probably still have a concept for the term. Coming from Malaysia (although I live in New Zealand now), I would say most Malaysians (and Singaporeans) would consider South Asians, South-East Asians and East Asians as Asians. I'm not so sure about West Asians/Middle Easterns however Nil Einne 19:09, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
To GdaMan, Afghans are NOT Arabs, they are mostly Indo-European (Pashtuns, Tajiks)or Mongols(Uzbeks, Hazaras). Afghanistan is NOT a part of the Middle East anymore than what Pakistan is. Afghanistan is usually classed as Central Asia or South Asia as much of it used to be a part of the Indian Moghul Empire. According to the faulty logic of this article, a Baluchi tribesman from Pakistan is `Asian' but a Baluchi from Iran is not (a Baluchi from Iran would BTW be classed as `white' in the US census), even though they belong to the same race!
Should there be a section that describes what asians look like such as facial structure, skin color, etc? Sadmind 23:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
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Please include a map of the Indian subcontinent by itself to indicate what is identified as `Asian' in the U.K. and how pathetic the British are by restricting `Asian' to only 3 countries (India,Pakistan, Bagladesh) out of a continent of 3.8 billion people!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.169.54.182 (talk • contribs) .
Rubbish! In the UK, `Asian' in the census is restricted to South Asians only and you know it! Asians from the Far-East are referred to as `Chinese or other' in the census and they are classed as `Orientals' in society a term considered offensive these days . Britain is statistically clased as being 4% Asian, but that is only South Asians. West Asians are ticked as `other', or some of them have the nerve to tick that they are `white other'. Britain would be close to 6 per cent Asian including people from the Far-East and Middle East.
The British media and society is educating its young to restrict the definition of `Asian' to only South Asians. I have read many UK books and texts which place East Asians in a separate non-Asian category. Nonsensical ludicrous statements like "China and Asia" (seperate?). I did read a travel gide call once called `India and Asia', but this was due to the fact that India is sometimes referred to as `the Sub-continent' and hence a separate category.
INCLUDE ALL ASIANS IN THE STATISTICS AT THE START INCLUDING WEST ASIANS! ARABS, PERSIANS AND TURKS ARE ASIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What is the purpose of the Language section of the Info Box? It is sadly inadequate. Asians speak hundreds (literally) of languages. The Info Box includes Vietnamese but not Thai??? Kristang but not Hmong???? What about Khmer (Cambodian) with over 8 million speakers or Lao or Burmese? What about the myriad of languages spoken by the Mongloid people groups in the area of greater Manchuria, some of which are Uralic languages? There's also Jurchen, Hmar, Chru, Samre, Phnong, Brao, Semang, Temiar, Akha, Karen, Kachin, Mien, Khmu, Cham....do I need to go on? I don't have any suggestions for a solution, in fact this whole page seems so arbitrary, I'm surpised it hasn't been AfD'ed more often.--WilliamThweatt 23:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
What's that?!
I mean: seriously. What have Gujaratis and Koreans in common that makes them a single ethnic group? I think this article has a strong Anglo-Saxon bias (though maybe some Asian ideological POV too). It's not, I think an encyclopedic article and it seems to fall under some of the categories for deletion per WP:NOT, WP:NOR and WP:NPOV.
Aditionally is clearly outraging that West Asians and Siberians are arbitrarily excluded from Asian-ness. Look at a map of Asia, please. --Sugaar 21:45, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
I've made the following changes:
Note: the above are just a provisional attempt to "fix" the ambiguities of the article. It does not mean that I agree with the existence of this article as such. --Sugaar 11:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Aditionally: someone must fix that template floating on the left top corner of the article ASAP. It's really ugly. If you can't fix it, better delete it with the associated map. --Sugaar 11:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm also removing the Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups template as it's not clear that this censal definition actually refers to any ethnic group at all: but just to a catch-all tag of racialist census in Anglo-Saxon countries. --Sugaar 11:32, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
when you say asian in ireland does it refer to people from pakistan, india, or does it refer to chinese? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.139.207.127 (talk) 05:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC).
Filipinos are Asian, Malays are Asian, Indonesians are Asian, heck, are the Rapanui Asian too? Or do the first three Austronesian groups have more in common with Arabs, Jews, and Persians, all of whom live in Asia? 210.213.172.229 14:36, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
I really believe this article should be renamed to Demographics of Asia, the same way European people redirects to Demographics of Europe. You can't just lump the Indo-Europeans of the subcontinent and Siberia, the Japanese, the Semitic peoples, the Austronesians, and the Turkic peoples together and call them the "Asian people". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.213.170.148 (talk) 05:29, 4 February 2007 (UTC).
I deleted vandalism on a section called asian eyes. Its plain dumb, especially because its says asian have plastic surgery because they want western eyes with eyelids or something of that sort. First of all, not all Asian want to look western. Southeast asian already have double eyelids. What about western people having surgery to have better looking cheekbones like asian or fuller lips like african people. Its just retard to add that section about asian eyes. CanCanDuo 22:15, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
The phrase "describing people by face" is used twice in the article. I can't work out what that means. Is there another phrase which means the same thing which is clearer and could be used instead? Hobson 23:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Wouldn't it be more accurate that North and South Korea be labled as (respectively) Democratic People's Republic of Korea and Republic of Korea? There's already a People's Republic of China and Republic of China instead of China and Taiwan. Tiffany 16:08, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
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