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Instead of (state) and (city) parentheticals, would be cleaner to have, for instance, Oaxaca state and Oaxaca (or perhaps Oaxaca City)? You can link to those without ugly pipes, and this would seem to accord better with journalistic usage (at least in the US). --Brion 02:25 Sep 20, 2002 (UTC)
I've been thinking about this, and I'd like to propose this pattern:
There's a fair amount of work involved in bringing them all into line, but it seems logical to me and worth the effort. It keeps things simple, and it avoids both jarringly foreign formulations like [[Chihuahua City]] and the overly complicated solutions like [[Veracruz (city)]] that we've got at present.
On a related note, Monterrey, Mexico should probably be relocated to Monterrey, Nuevo León, if not to Monterrey – why bother disambiguate with Monterey, California, since the spellings are different? –User:Hajor 01:58, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC)
My biggest complaint is about Chihuahua, where a disambiguation page should be located, including Chihuahua (state), Chihuahua (city), and Chihuahua (dog) (and apparently Chihuahua (cheese)). I fixed this, and someone put it back wrong.
The Canadian province of Ontario (and not Ontario, California) has the article at Ontario, the U.S. state of Washington (and not Washington, District of Columbia) has the article at Washington, so why are the Mexican states backwards? –radiojon 18:42, 2004 Aug 9 (UTC)
(Also, on a related note: like the city of New York, the city of Mexico has "City" (or "Ciudad") nowhere in its real name.)
That's not quite the question being asked, but it's food for thought -- do we want to reassign Colima (etc) to the states and use a different convention for the similarly named capitals? Presumably we'd use Veracruz, Veracruz (etc) for the cities, to keep in line with the disambiguations we already have: Sacramento, Coahuila, La Paz, Baja California Sur, etc. (What I really would object to is unnatural stuff like Zacatecas City, except as redirects.)
That'd be a heck of a lot of work. Are you seriously proposing it? For the record, the affected entries would be: Aguascalientes, Campeche, Chihuahua, Colima, Durango, Guanajuato, Oaxaca, Puebla, (Querétaro seems to have sorted itself out nicely with the recent name-change), San Luis Potosí, Tlaxcala, Veracruz, and Zacatecas. And, depending on the deviousness of the approach chosen, we might not be able to lose the (state) flag from Baja California, Durango, Hidalgo, and México.
(Shouldn't Mexico (state) be at México (state) anyway?)
Another thing is as we set about the task of scribbling stubs for all 800 Oaxacan municips (to say nothing of the rest of the country), we're going to find that a lot of them will be needing disambiguating in and of themselves, to distinguish them from other towns in other states and in other countries. Take a look at Santa Fe. The most natural disambig method is to put Santa Fe, Nuevo León, anyway, so the state reference is going to be there already.
As a related comment ("typing less"), do you know how the 'pipe trick' works with articles with parts of the titles between brackets? You don't have to type [[Oaxaca (state)|Oaxaca]] -- you can omit the repeat of 'Oaxaca' after the pipe, thus [[Oaxaca (state)|]]. So Oaxaca takes you to Oaxaca (state). Something I learned just the other week. –Hajor 20:46, 19 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Well, here?s a summary of my proposal:
Cheers, Ruiz 18:52, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Hm. That would be okay with me if other people like that. However to be contrary, I do think there is something to be said for having articles at titles like "Campeche State" or "Campeche state", as that's something that could be writtin into article text. I'm not too fond of the parenthesis disambiguations when there are other good options availible. A thought, -- Infrogmation 21:09, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
moved here from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Subnational entities/Naming Tobias Conradi (Talk) 03:56, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
w/r/t to the States of Mexico (trailing bracket lowercase english partial) -- we have actually reached agreement on how to proceed on Talk:States of Mexico; we just haven't got round to implementing it yet. Please take a look at the discussion there, and take the comments on board before proceeding to do anything with those article locations. –Hajor 19:02, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
who is we
-- A couple of other users -- high volume contributors on Mexico articles -- and myself, when this cropped up a few months ago.
is your solution worldwide stable? e.g. did you coordinate with Nigeria?
-- Hell, no. States of Nigeria is a right mess. Besides, internal consistency in accordance with the usages and customs of each country is more important than worldwide uniformity.
At least allow redirects.
-- Of course.
I will not change anything regarding Mexican states anymore.
-- Please contribute to the discussion at Talk:States of Mexico if you have anything to add. And, if we ever do get round to implementing what's outlined there, please give due consideration to jumping in and lending a hand.
–Hajor 20:32, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Is it just me, or do the yellow and brown maps bother others as well? I'd be willing to make higher resolution maps for locating places in Mexico, and a numbered map as well (at some point these should all be SVG I suppose). But what colors would be good? Is the standard (on lots of pages anyway) wikipedia grey, with blue oceans, and some color highlighting okay? What do people think?
Also, shouldn't some map be made for each state localizing cities within that state? Simply having a national map with the state highlighted isn't very useful, especially for big states with varied geography, etc.
I'll take responses at my talk page
--Jacobolus 09:12, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Compare to:
What do people think? The DF definitely needs a closer-up view! How should this be done? Maybe 2 maps on pages of those states in the center of the country, or just an inset that shows the center closer up? I'll take ideas at my talk page. So far all of the states in the above format have been uploaded to the commons. --Jacobolus 08:26, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps it's time to embark on the plan we agreed on above -- a scheme which I find very logical and convincing. The following steps are entailed:
Even though "United Mexican States" has been the traditional translation of "Estados Unidos Mexicanos" in English, gramatically, it is not the most exact translation. United Mexican States would be the translation of Estados Mexicanos Unidos (which would make more sense in Spanish). Estados Unidos Mexicanos (which even in Spanish sounds weird) they are imposing the first adjective "unidos" before "mexicanos", in order to highlight the phrase "United States". A more truthful rendering would be "Mexican United States". Any comments?
I agree with you, but I have to say that this area of "original work" in which the wikipedia is not supposed to engage, is quite blurry. I mean, in some cases, "truth" prevails (that is, facts prevail over common misconceptions in the articles) while in other cases, it is preferable merely to "report" than to "propose" even if renown scholars have proved some theories wrong. --Alonso 04:14, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
I rewrote the article and renamed it as "Political Divisions of Mexico" --Alonso 04:02, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
I fixed all the Baja California (state) redirects.
Baja California peninsula redirects to Baja California Peninsula. If someone finds the time, this should be fixed. JackSparrow Ninja 23:21, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
How about importing the template used in es.Wikipedia for general information on Mexican states? The infobox doesn't provide a lot of general information the way it's set up now... I'm thisclose to doing it myself, but I'm afraid I have been trying to understand how templates work for a while now, and quite honestly, I'm really confused. If anyone can help with that, I can get to work on setting it up on each individual state entry. Comments? Thoughts? --Enakarasuma 03:55, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
What template were you talking about specifically? Because the template on the es.wiki's article on political divisions is the same shown here. --Alonso 18:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
Oh, you were referring to the individual state's template. Yes, I like the es.wiki template better, but like Rune.welsh says, it does require a lot of maintenance. If you are up for the task of creating and maintaining them, I'd say, go ahead and change them. --Alonso 22:41, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
The Campeche article shows a land area of 50,812 km²; this article shows 57,727 km². The Quintana Roo article shows a land area of 50,212 km²; this article shows 42,535 km². These are great and significant differences. Was there a big territorial shift? Which numbers are correct? Backspace 02:25, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
Are the state legislatures bicameral (as in the USA) or unicameral (see spanish version of this page)? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.78.17.162 (talk) 13:00, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
I was just wondering if there are any references or links related with regionalizations of all the states within Mexico. jlog3000 (talk) 19:14, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
I was searching for geographic and cultural regions of Mexico, but a search for "Regions of Mexico" redirected to here instead. I expected to get information analogous to what is found at "Regions of Canada" or "Regions of the United States". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.87.189.17 (talk) 17:12, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Note the much clearer graphics proposed previously. The green-on-green graphics are OK for a historical article, since I believe the page for history of US states uses a similar color scheme for time snapshot maps, although that color scheme is also hard to see. The larger files contain helpful information which has to be linked twice to be legible.
On top of that, the previous article was replaced by one that has poorly translated English, possibly to line up with an article in Spanish Wikipedia. In that case, perhaps Spanish Wikipedia does not have a separate article showing the clearly demarcated Mexican States, as the main Mexico article does.
IIRC, Wikipedia has separate pages for the United States as states and the history of state formation in the United States, correct?
Propose creating a second page for (current) Mexican States with clear mappage (like the clearly demarcated state lines found on all US State pages -- any page on subsets of Mexico should use a map that has clearly demarcated state lines, just like the maps of US and Canada. In fact, that should go for pages that are about Mexico, just as you see in the main page for Mexico. The country is, after all, a federation of "United Mexican States", just like the US!
Also note that this is the standard for many world maps, including globes -- large countries that are organized along federal or pseudo-federal lines, including US, Russia, China, and Mexico get the same treatment of showing the main internal state divisions. US should not be special in this regard. Yclept:Berr (talk) 13:00, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
Rename to "States and territories of Mexico".
See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_and_territories
Here is said Ecatepec de Morelos is the largest city of state of Mexico. However, List of cities in Mexico has Nezahualcóyotl, State of Mexico as #9 and "Ecatepec de Morelos" only #12. 85.217.45.223 (talk) 13:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
My (admittedly imperfect) understanding is that Mexico City is not a state, but rather co-incident with the Federal District. So there are 31 states plus the Federal District. As such, it would probably be appropriate to move Mexico City out of the main part of the table, or at least add a footnote indicating its non-statehood. Rwessel (talk) 04:41, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
Mexico City ceased to be a Federal District. Here are some links (in Spanish and English) about the change:
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Really? Administrative divisions? Split out per WP:COATRACK--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 14:56, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
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Do the regional groupings pictured by File:Mexico regional map.png have names? It would be nice if the map showing them at least had the names of the states. -- Beland (talk) 07:44, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
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