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I think that there should be a section for this, but only if they can be sourced. I think it is important to not only to Aaliyah's fans but also to other people. It is important for people to know the "facts", be they rumors or not;if they are out there, we should know(whether they end up being true or not.) What do you guys think?(And be nice I'm only SUGGESTING this.) I may start it if I feel it is valid, and I WILL source them. I have read many, many rumors about her, some which have been proven true to date. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raaliyahent01 (talk • contribs) 05:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
It says years active "1992-present"...erm...she's not alive so how could she still be active or does it refer to her records still being sold?!86.40.220.231 (talk) 17:33, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
We need some audio samples on Aaliyah.You don't have any of them.You should get We Need A Resolution,More Than A Woman,Rock The Boat,Are You That Somebody?,One In A Million,and Back & Forth.Please,take this into mind.Thankyou!!! Marexl (talk) 19:12, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Is there any reason to have a section on the (alleged) movie right now? It seems to be nothing but a string of speculation and uncited rumors. —C.Fred (talk) 20:37, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
IT DOESNT MATTER WHETHER A SECTION WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE LEGEND'S ARTICLE AT THE MOMENT BECAUSE THESE ARE TRUE ALLEGATIONS BUT NOTHING IS FINALIZED EXCEPT FOR THE PERSON WHO WILL BE PORTRAYING OUR STAR SO YES A "MOVIE" SECTION WILL POP UP IN THE NEAR FUTURE BUT WE WILL BE HAPPY TO SEE MORE UPDATES...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.130.223.166 (talk) 18:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
CAN I ASK WHY IS THIS 'C. FRED' DUDE ALL OVER BABY GIRL'S ARTICLE LIKE IF HE'S A FAN??????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.38.132.137 (talk • contribs) 01:50, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
I noticed in the "musical style" section it said "Stephen Thomas Erlewine of Allmusic described her eponymous album, Aaliyah, as not only "a statement of maturity and a stunning artistic leap forward", but also one of the strongest urban soul records of the 1990s". Aaliyah's eponymous album Aaliyah was released in the 2000's not 1990's so please change that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.59.108.191 (talk) 05:59, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I recently made this edit which separated the paragraphs about Aaliyah's death from her career, and it was reverted with the direction to discuss it here. So I am doing just that. I understand the reasons for keeping the article chronological, but I think the headings are even more important, with the chronology maintained within the sections. Otherwise, someone trying to find out about her death has to look in an unlikely place. The plane crash, and the subsequent lawsuit, are not part of her career and shouldn't be listed as such. I used the following articles as examples: Freddie Mercury - Herb Brooks - Cory Lidle; all are famous personalities who died prematurely, and all have separate circumstances surrounding their death. I do believe it is appropriate to add a sentence to the top stating that "Aaliyah was killed in an airplane crash on ....", so the career section that follows is better in perspective. I know I haven't edited this article before, and respect others who have contributed a lot to it, so I won't revert and start an edit-war; but I do feel strongly about my article structure. Please state whether you agree or disagree with me, and why. -Sme3 (talk) 00:58, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Do we really need to have this:
In the article? I hardly think it's significant or unique for someone to be better known by their first name... I'm going to delete the "better known as Aaliyah" part unless someone can come up with a reason for it to be there Pyrotics (talk) 06:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
Well, it was her "stage name"; on her records it simply said "Aaliyah". I don't see why "better known as Aaliyah" doesn't make sense to you. Or maybe it should be "known simply as Aaliyah" ?213.118.75.120 (talk) 01:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. FACT: Aaliyah Dana Haughton - was her full name. FACT: She was better known as Aaliyah. This is a perfectly fine article with correct information. Nothing wrong with the article. Mz magnetik (talk) 21:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
For most articles about contemp. R&B this is a pretty well-researched and comprehensive article. I'd nominate it for GA but first wonder if there's still any hurdles to be jumped. --Andrewlp1991 (talk)
Ok.Everybody thinks that Aaliyah and R.Kelly were married but they both said they didn't right?Well they actually were married but divorced because...well I don't know really why.I think it was because of that rumor. Marexl (talk) 19:03, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
They both claimed the rumors to be false but Vibe magazine shows the marriage license on which Aaliayah faked her age to be 18 when in reality she was 15 or 16. So if someone could verify the validity of the documents from Vibe that would determine the validity of the rumor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.34.246.81 (talk) 13:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
In the early years section, it says that she appeared on Star Search at the age of 10 in 1991. However, Aaliyah would have been 12 in 1991, not 10. Is the year wrong, or her age wrong? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.84.179.124 (talk) 23:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
What happened to the music section its gone someone needs to put that back up there with pics. They need to put up here about Aaliyah's Recital Hall. The new Detroit School of the Arts, a magnificent building built known for it's high academic standards and performing arts has renamed the Recital Hall after Aaliyah in honor of her memory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.14.226.208 (talk) 00:06, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Aaliyah was born in January of 1979 so unless her birthday had yet to pass she was 12 in 1991. Perhaps she did Start Search in 1989? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.34.246.81 (talk) 14:14, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
The categories that should be added are not categories that are specific for people of partial heritage nor are they exclusive to those of full descent. It makes no sense why they are not in the article.Mcelite (talk) 04:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)04:36, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
HER RECORD SALES ARE WRONG —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dboy4100 (talk • contribs) 03:06, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
that makes sense.. anywho, why arent there any cited sources of Aaliyah's Worldwide sales for her albums? does anyobdy know? I read somewhere a while ago that One In a Million sold 8 million worldwide since 1997, but I need more proof. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dboy4100 (talk • contribs) 23:50, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
why did you use this link http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/2001/aug/27/guardianobituaries.carolinesullivan as a source to the sales of One In A Million? this article never stated the sales of the album. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dboy4100 (talk • contribs) 05:04, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
The Guardian verifies that One in a Million sold two million copies: The gap between One In A Million and Aaliyah, her latest album, cost her sales. The former sold two million, but despite contributions… Also, I'm mistaken above; the album did sell over eight million worldwide (it's even in the article!), which can be verified here. — Σxplicit 05:53, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
In the end sentence of he intro/lead, it says aaliyah redefined RB/hipHop music. Please cit this. I love Aaliyah's music but we need to stop overstating importance of singers(some stans feel beyonce is iconic..wtf!), even when they're dead. King Michael Jackson (RIP) is the sole artist who deserves all his accolades bc truly he changed not just music & video, but culture(views/aceptance on AfrAm; dress, dancing, hair, etc). & Madonna too when she dies will be desrving of compliments.
Back on topic: pls cite an article or music professional who says Aa redefined music. Thanks. 70.108.115.212 (talk) 17:50, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
When & why is this page locked? How are we supposed to edit? 70.108.115.212 (talk) 17:22, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
If an edit needs made, discuss it here, and an experienced (non-new, registered) editor can make the change. Anonymous/new users were vandalizing the page excessively, and that's why it was protected. See the template I've just added to the top of the article that explains it. — C.Fred (talk) 17:38, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
QUOTE: an experienced (non-new, registered) editor . LOL @ that. Many non-new registered editors mess up wiki. 70.108.115.212 (talk) 17:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
The end of the first paragraph of the crash section reads: The crew had a flight scheduled the following day, but Aaliyah and her entourage were eager to return to the United States due to the filming finishing early, so they demanded that their heavy equipment be loaded on the plane rather than left behind. It resulted in the aircraft being well beyond the standard weight and balance tolerance provided by Cessna.
This is confusing and doesn't seem to quite makes sense. Is "the crew" the video production crew or the crew of the airplane? They were eager to return, so they demanded their equipment be put aboard? The use of the word so (instead of and) suggests that loading the equipment was necessary for them to return? Why? Couldn't they have left without it?
I think the passage in question is trying to say something like this: The production crew was scheduled on a flight leaving the Bahamas the following day. However, with filming finishing early, Aaliyah and her entourage were eager to return to the United States, and made the decision to leave immediately by chartering a private plane. Reportedly, they demanded that their heavy equipment also be loaded onto the chartered plane, rather than be left behind for the next day's flight. This resulted in their aircraft being well beyond the standard weight and balance tolerance provided by Cessna.
However, I'm not familiar enough with the situation to be certain that my interpretation is correct, so I hesitate to change the article myself. Would someone more familiar with the exact circumstances of the passengers' decision please make an appropriate edit? 12.155.58.181 (talk) 01:57, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Aaliyah should have a philanthropy/charity section.
she donated over $20,000 to the Bahamas as stated in the New York Post http://aaliyahremembered2.homestead.com/Archives45.html
She has also ran marathons (for breast cancer) and performed at concerts that benefits cancer (nickelodeons big help) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dboy4100 (talk • contribs) 08:02, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
Aaliyah was a Light Lyric Soprano. Aaliyah had a 4 octave vocal range (listen to the song giving up). Highest note: F#5 (I Care 4 You), A5 Lowest note: C3
It's been a while since the article passed its good article nomination and has gone through a peer review after that. It seems the article has become stable after the user(s) who kept removing the musical style section has given up. Would anyone be opposed to take this through WP:FAC? — ξxplicit 01:40, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
Aaliyah debuted in the early 1990's & emerged victoriously out of the one of the 1990's decade as being one of the best-selling artists of the decade, as well as being the Top-Selling solo female R&B artist of the decade as well with over a combined 11 million records worldwide with her two albums "Age Ain't Nothing But A Number" selling over 3 million,and "One In A Million" selling 8 million respectively. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinynu15 (talk • contribs) 12:59, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
How come it says she has 6 grammy's, when she really doesn't. I wish this was true, is this some mistake? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xzorbo (talk • contribs) 06:06, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
I don't think its necessary to have her musical style, etc information displayed because Her family wants Aaliyah and her legacy to be respected and not copied and emulated. also, it would be very necessary if her cemetery information only be told via Her official site, MySpace, etc. for security purposes, there has been issues where people go to cemeteries and steal and do lots of absurd things and the family would be more than happy to keep Aaliyah at peace. There is an Official Movie on Aaliyah as confirmed in 2008, and updates are always being displayed via the official Aaliyah twitter page . —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sincereofficial (talk • contribs) 22:23, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
see Keshia Chante —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sincereofficial (talk • contribs) 23:31, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
can you please "READ" like everybody else and see why i said the things i said. and who are you anyway and why are you all over Aaliyah's article like if you're a fan?????? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sincereofficial (talk • contribs) 17:12, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Hello, in the section and article of the Aaliyah album, as well as other pages it is always saying that its her 'final' album. Truth is it is just her 'latest' album, Aaliyah didn't know she was going to perish and was not going to retire at all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sincereofficial (talk • contribs) 17:57, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Someone listed Britney Spears amongst artists who were inspirations for Aaliyah. This is INCORRECT. If anything, Aaliyah was probably an inspiration for her. For one she started the whole teen takeover thing in the 90's. She got her first record deal when she was 12 and "Age ain't nothing but a number" dropped in 1994 when she was 15. After her album dropped, next thing you know we got Brandy, Monica, Leann Rimes, then Britney Spears, and Christina, etc. I know Brit was on the Mickey Mouse club BUT Britney Spears did not drop her first single until 1998 (Baby one more time). So, she wasn't even heard of yet in terms of a recording artist. And Aaliyah with her "street but sweet" style would be widely copied even today with artists like Ciara. So I think that this is inaccurate and needs to be taken out or at least put her in a another section listing artists Aaliyah influenced. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cookie1127 (talk • contribs) 02:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
fixed. Aaliyah never stated to be influenced By Britney Spears or Nnsync, she just liked a couple of songs from them. Not once has she said she was "inspired" by them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dboy4100 (talk • contribs) 20:25, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
The article doesn't mention Are You That Somebody?, a single from Dr. Dolittle OST (1998), one of her most succesfull and known songs worldwide --91.64.53.161 (talk) 23:14, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
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This section is pretty much completely out of hand and has become nothing but trivia. I'm not entirely sure how to approach this, as I'd rather not just remove the section completely. Does anyone have any ideas how to go about this? DiverseMentality 17:21, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
Personally, a flying mention in a song doesn't seem too much of a tribute. For example, Twista mentioning her "Hope" in a single line doesn't seem like a tribute, Edyta Górniak dedicating her album Invisible to Aaliyah is a tribute. What are your thoughts? DiverseMentality 19:55, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. How many artists have mentioned Pac and Biggie in their songs? But their pages don't mention all that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.7.183 (talk) 19:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
HI, I'M FROM BROOKLYN, NEW YORK AND I'M TALKING DIRECTLY TO OWNERS OF WIKIPEDIA AND TOTALLY DEMAND THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.......... I ALWAYS LEAVE REFERENCES WHENEVER I EDIT AND I DONT KNOW WHY CONFUSED AND/OR COUNTERFEIT FANS AND CRAZY PEOPLE THAT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BABY GIRL, GO AND VANDALIZE AND PUT UNOFFICIAL PHOTOS UP AND THEN IT NEVER GETS UPDATED AFTERWARDS!!!!!!!!!! HER ALIAS IS BABY GIRL, SHE IS THE QUEEN OF "NEO SOUL" & "URBAN POP" BUT THE PUBLIC EYE DIDNT GET A CHANCE TO SEE THAT FROM THE SECOND -COMING OF Janet Jackson (Aaliyah was highly labeled as "THE NEW janet.") THE PUBLIC & PRESS DIDNT GET TO SEE HER "ROYALTY" IN MUSIC BECAUSE SHE PLANNED TO COMPLETELY CHANGE THE INDUSTRY AND BECOME MORE THAN A QUEEN OVERALL, SHE "DOESNT" HAVE A NEW ALBUM OR MIXTAPE BEING RELEASED ANY TIME SOON AND YES SHE DOES HAVE A NEW MOVIE WITH Keshia Chante DOING HER THE FAVOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND SORRY FOR ANY INCONVENIENCE. xoxo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.38.132.137 (talk • contribs)
'Her alias is said in "Hot like Fire", "Are You That Somebody?", "Try Again", "We Need a Resolution"............. YOU'RE WELCOME. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.38.132.137 (talk • contribs)
Brandy and LeToya dont use stage names and their nicknames are kept on display and i'm not trying to get off topic and talk about other people but i want the truth of our favorite star of all time to be displayed as well and THE TRUTH IS, VH1 WILL BE AIRING "BEHIND THE MUSIC: AALIYAH" REPETITIVELY IN 2011 FOLLOWING THE RELEASE OF THE MOTION PICTURE "AALIYAH" SO ITS ALRIGHT THAT YOU HAVE RULES AND POLICIES ON THIS SITE BECAUSE THE TRUTH WILL REIGN SOON. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.38.132.137 (talk • contribs)
YOU'RE WELCOME, I WILL CONTINUE TO BE SINCERE AND KEEP EXPOSING THE TRUTH (I KNOW MY BIG SISTER IN HEAVEN WAS WATCHING AND KNOWING WHAT I'M DOING FOR HER ARTICLE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.38.132.137 (talk) 02:42, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
ACTUALLY USER "12.38.132.137" THERE IS AN AALIYAH MIXTAPE COMING OUT.ITS CALLED "OFFICIALLY AALIYAH".AALIYAH HAS BEEN FEATURED ON HUNDREDS MAYBE EVEN THOUSANDS OF MIXTAPES,SO PLEASE CHECK YOUR FACTS BEFORE YOU THINK YOU KNOW IT ALL.THANKYOU!!
I think you are missing the purpose of what she is saying. She never came out with a single in which the cover said Babygirl as opposed to Aaliyah. SHe never came out with an album in which the cover read Babygirl as opposed to Aaliyah. Her videos were never aired with Babygirl as opposed to Aaliyah in the place where an artists title belongs. Her Nickname was BAbygirl used affectinately by friends,family, and fans. Hwoever her stage name was always the one word Aaliyah. If we were to cite every name she uses as being a valid stage name then we would also have to cite that Aaliyah Dana HAughton, and Liyah were stage names. My point is that there is a diference between stage and nicknames. If Babygirl is kept in the place of Nickname or also known as section then its valid. But to claim her official name was ever Babygirl is wrong unless you can find an exapmle of one the things I previously mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.34.246.81 (talk) 14:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Actually there WAS an album that was released after her death where the title simply read: Baby Girl.. greatest hits. It features Aaliyah, her head turned to the side, revealing only the right side of her face. The picture looks like it had been taken in or around 1994, which was when her debut album 'Age Ain't Nothing But A Number' was released. The album cover is in black and white and it features I believe some of her biggest hit songs and some remixes. It reads something along the lines of "Baby Girl: Greatest Hits." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.26.185.209 (talk) 08:34, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Here we are once again, discussing the Native American category and whether or not it should be included in this specific article. This was discussed July 2009 and the conclusion was that it should not be added, because there was no consensus to add it. Aaliyah barely has any Native American in her, as the source clear states: "The beautiful baby had black hair and brown eyes and was predominantly African-American with a little American Indian in her blood from her grandmother" (bold for emphases). This hardly holds any weight in order to merit the inclusion of the Native American category. This isn't the first time Mcelite has attempted to force these types of categories in to articles. The exact same issue took place at Beyoncé Knowles. Discussion ensued, and if I remember correctly (it's past midnight here, can I save the reading for later?), nearly every other editor, if not all of them, firmly opposed the addition of this category. Having a splotch of Native American in you doesn't automatically make you a Native American. I see absolutely no reason why this category should be added when it clearly doesn't belong, and the undue weight given to the small amount of Native American that was in Aaliyah to categorize her as a Native American person is completely unwarranted. — ξxplicit 08:43, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Aaliyah had premonitions a month before her death that something bad was about to befall her. I am not sure if it is appropriate to include this in the article because there is no telling what's right and what's not on this increasingly outsider complicated site, so I leave it here:
Aaliyah: Someone's following me and I don't know why. I'm scared. Then suddenly I lift off. Far away. As if I'm swimming in the air. Nobody can reach me. Nobody can touch me.
It is posited that this was a premonition in Aaliyah's dreams of what was about to happen. Taken from New Woman, January 2005, p 66. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.154.81.246 (talk) 05:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm have some concerns regarding the reference being used to cite Aaliyah's album sales. To start off, the main story of that article is the alleged Aaliyah biopic, which has been circulating the web since 2008. Two years later, only rehashes of the exact same story has been around. As the supposed film is nothing but bogus, I have reason to believe everything written in it is bogus as well. I have found absolutely no reliable source that backs up this claim of 32 million albums sold worldwide. What I've found was the following: The Insider (an unreliable source, as anyone can submit anything), which took the story from a gossip blog; SOHH, which took the story from the personal blog Music 2 Nite (which may be the origin to the whole damn thing); Digital Spy (just as unreliable) also cites the personal blog Music 2 Nite; Sowetan, which cites Sixshot as the source (which appears to be under construction; I should note that my browser warned me about this site as being malicious); and the unreliable EURweb, which doesn't even display properly. The only possible sources I could find were: Los Angeles Times, but the story is extremely erroneous, as the article states Aaliyah sold 32 million records in the United States alone, while Billboard magazine states 8.1 million albums sold as of 2008; The Arizona Republic, a newspaper in Arizona, simply went with the LA Times story. — ξxplicit 06:39, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
At least the original source, Song of Brooklyn: An Oral History of America's Favorite Borough, was a solid reference, unlike all the ones listed above. I should also mention that this issue was previously discussed and there was agreement that 24 million records sold worldwide should be the figured displayed in the article. It's been nearly a year since then, so I've brought this up for a fresh discussion. — ξxplicit 06:39, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
I said that sales of it are outdated because, following the current sales One in a. .. and age nothin '.. should be 3x platinum. She has sold over 10 million copies in the U.S.. that's what I say. their sales are not wrong. you had supplies for 24 million records. Now I find 32 million albums and a trusted source. why not trust? is the BET. if you want I got more referrals with 32,000,000 of albums and 50 million records.
I know. = You will doubt 9 million copies (in U.S.) but I have references of: Age - 3,000,000 One - 3,000,000 Aaliyah - 2,600,000 I Care 4 U - 1,700,000 Total = 10,300,000
Singles: Back & - 500,000 At ur best - 500,000 The one - 500,000
Records (USA) - 11,800,000
One in A Million , July 6. comment added by OneInAMillion96 (talk —Preceding undated comment added 01:02, 8 July 2010 (UTC).
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template as the pending changes option had long expired, among other several minor fixes.I do not agree with using networks as the means of providing album sales. BET, like many other television networks, are respected and they do not generally tell their viewers straight out lies and myths, like say Enquirer magazine, or the Globe. But there can be individual programming on any network where that particular show may not be the most reliable for info, although the network overall is reliable. TV networks and also magazines like People or US are not what we should be using to relay album sales data. This is because those entities are not committed to gathering album sales data; that is not their function. Television networks like NBC or ABC, and even music networks like BET, VH1, or MTV, did not come into existence for the sole purpose of tracking and following album sales from downloading or record stores. Billboard Magazine or the RIAA does that; it is their primary function and the very reason they were created. So realistically, they should be the only sources we are utilizing for musical acts when referring to an act's sales of a particular album or their entire career sales. People who work at television networks or other magazines besides Billboard are getting their information from various places. Numerous people work for those entities. Various hosts and producers work on a variety of tv shows and various writers work at the magazines, and sometimes the magazines hire independent writers who contribute a story or article. So everyone is getting their information from somewhere else. I could watch a tv program where the host named "Josh" says that the band AAZ has sold three million copies of the album in the US, and then later watch a show on the same network where host "Michael" says they sold five million copies of the same album. For that matter, Fox network may say they sold 4 million copies of the album; and People magazine may state they sold 6 million copies. Different numbers from different entities (be it shows on the same network or different media outlets) all referring to the same album.
And considering whether you are a big fan of band AAZ, you may want to believe the higher total. And if you can't stand AAZ, you are gonna tend to view the lower total as more accurate; at least a lot of people think that way. But notice if you use Billboard magazine or RIAA for the sales data, the amounts do not jump all over the place. And the RIAA certifies albums when record labels request it. So lets say an album was released in 1994 and sold 3.2 million copies. If the RIAA last certified that album at three million copies in 1997, the act's record label may request another sales count a few years later to see where it stands now. The RIAA will then give the updated sales, whether it be by a few thousand more, several thousand more, or now certified at 4 million. But the RIAA doesn't do this on its own without a request from a label. How could it when there are an uncountable number of albums that have been released over the decades by an uncountable amount of record labels. Those labels must request the sales tally. So again, the RIAA and Billboard is what should be used when determining album sales, not network tv. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.251.112.134 (talk) 04:31, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
I have never heard of Aaliyah having any Native American ancestry. Even if she did have, its most likely generations ago. Why does every African American/Black female celebrity's article must include some obscure ethnicity background that is otherwise irrelevant?
--p4 (talk) 05:56, 15 November 2009 (UTC)p4poetic--p4 (talk) 05:56, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. Ethnicity categories should be limited to first generation only. From what I have heard, one of her grand parents may have had some sort of Indian heritage. -- 69.133.90.247 (talk) 05:19, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
How is her native american heritage irrelevant? Because of the one drop rule, that makes everyone Black? Whether her heritage is first generation or not, we are who we are. And if one drop of Black blood makes you black, then one drop of Native American, makes you Native American too. Educatedlady (talk) 01:03, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
aaliyah at Find a Grave Aaliyah at Find-a-Grave — Preceding unsigned comment added by Scott1153 (talk • contribs) 07:44, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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Please change "Aaliyah is estimated to have sold 24 to 32 million albums worldwide." to "Aaliyah is estimated to have sold 32 million albums" because it is stated in this video created by TV One Access that Aaliyah indeed has sold 32 million albums worldwide and not 24 million. Cnwodo (talk) 19:13, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't this whole section be dismissed as a rumor? | helpdןǝɥ | 01:36, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Was there any particular reason why this article was featured on Wikipedia's main page in May this year? Wouldn't it have made more sense to feature it in August, on the ten-year anniversary of her death? I'm a little confused... 109.204.113.111 (talk) 14:22, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
I know that Aaliyah was born in 1979, but I know that it was not in either January (like it says) or October. Please change the DOB to anytime in 1979, except January or October. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Catperson12 (talk • contribs) 01:02, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
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Can somebody change the infobox picture to Aaliyah Haughton.jpg because it is a better picture and get rid of the caption that saids Aaliyah in Berlin, Germany, May 2000. 76.217.34.49 (talk) 20:09, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
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where it saids 1979-90: Early life and Career beginnings that should be change to say 1979–90: Early life and Career beginnings because it will make the dash bigger. 99.137.149.253 (talk) 19:41, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
"Aaliyah was a very talented young girl"her mother said. "She had the most beautiful voice around".Aaliyah was the best "Princess of R&B and soul". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.90.240.28 (talk) 21:05, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
yes I heard that Aaliyah is definitely buried in Ferncliff along with Malcolm X and Khahlid Muhammad
When Aaliyah died in 2001, I visited her crypt in Ferncliff Cemetery shortly after her interment. My knowledge of her place of entombment is firsthand; I don't need any sources, articles, or lectures to tell me how and where the R&B singer made her final journey.
Aaliyah was initially entombed in a crypt on the third floor of the new extension wing of The Cathedral of Memories. Her crypt was adjacent to the crypt of Peter Loddo. When the nearby Rosewood Mausoleum was completed shorty after Aaliyah's death, she was moved to a private room at the end of a corridor at Rosewood. Aaliyah now occupies a beautiful "corner private room" in the new mausoleum.
There also seems to be some confusion concerning the terms "burial," "interment," and "entombment." Deceased people are buried in the ground. The deceased can also be entombed in mausoleums and crypts. Cremains are interred in a niche. It is not correct to say that Aaliyah was buried at Ferncliff, because she is in a tomb.
I edited Aaliyah's article to show that she was entombed, but somebody keeps insisting that she was "buried." I am not going to play musical chairs by changing it back to "entombed" again. People keep referring to a source; my knowledge of Aaliyah's final disposition is firsthand, which is more accurate than any source, article, or publication.
May Aaliyah rest in peace!
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A lot of the information that you read in books, magazines, newspapers, and periodicals is hearsay, rumor, and conjecture. I learned a long time ago that you can't believe everything that you read in print. The People Magazine article on Aaliyah had some incorrect information. Do you remember the time honored headline in the Chicago newspaper: DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN.
Aaliyah was NOT buried at Ferncliff Cemetery. She was initially interred in a crypt in the Cathedral of Memories, and then she was moved to a private room in Rosewood Mausoleum. The best way to verify this information is not through a silly story in People Magazine, but by contacting the Director of Ferncliff Cemetery. The interment records at Ferncliff for Aaliyah will verify that what I have said is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. You can bet every nickel you own that Aaliyah was NOT buried in the ground at Ferncliff Cemetery. Also, I am absolutely certain that the author of the People Magazine article did not attend Aaliyah's service in the cemetery. If you know who wrote that article, walk up to him or her and say, "Objection, hearsay."
Also, I forgot to mention that you can see pictures of Aaliyah's private room in her Find A Grave entry. Ferncliff Cemetery does not permit photography without permission, so I didn't want to break the rules by uploading a photo of her interment site into her Wikipedia article.
On June 17, 2013, Chris Brown released a video for the track "Don't Think They Know" from his upcoming X (Chris Brown album) (the album "X" is scheduled to be released on July 16, 2013). Aaliyah sings the hook for the song "Don't Think They Know," but also appears in the music video as a holographic backup dancer. The video ends with a dedication to Aaliyah which reads "Dear Aaliyah. We love and miss you. thank you for inspiring us all."
Source: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/chris-brown-pairs-with-aaliyah-hologram-in-new-clip-20130617 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Etheriemma (talk • contribs) 13:15, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Excuse me, but I thought Aaliyah was actually a mezzo-soprano, not a soprano.
http://www.divadevotee.com/2010/12/aaliyah-vocal-profile-range.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OQNnqfWYzs
I believe vocal fach can be identified in part by where a vocalist crosses form their chest voice to their head voice. There is debate about whether she was a mezzo-soprano or a soprano, but I believe mezzo because she could also sing very low - down into the second octave like some contraltos. Wouldn't the most proper classification be in between contralto and soprano (mezzo-soprano)? I don't know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.5.134.3 (talk) 02:03, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
I'm a current editor on Aaliyah's page. As a huge Aaliyah fan, I and many other of her fans have discussed having a new main image. Everytime I try to change it, it changes back to Aaliyah in Berlin, Germany. As an AALIYAH fan, I know what we want to see as her new main image. So, can you please change it to this image. Here is the link: http://31.media.tumblr.com/bab14b0c0e38937473370a1c08a5b9e3/tumblr_ms3zdjzTXt1rw087no1_500.png Thank You !!! ~ Team Aaliyah --Datyger (talk) 00:45, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Or If that link doesn't work : AARMD.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Datyger (talk • contribs) 00:51, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Can someone upload Aaliyah's Signature in her infobox like it is in Michael Jackson and Beyonce's info box. This is the signature...it is an original image so it should not be reverted. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/Aaliyah-k7-1.jpg --Datyger (talk) 04:14, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
Every time it's a problem with Aaliyah's page edits. What is really going on ? How did it get on Michael Jackson's or Beyonce's infobox then ? --Datyger (talk) 22:11, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Yall don't give Aaliyah no respect...We are Fans of hers...we would know how things should be....everybody so anal over copyrights and deleting images. Ridiculous. That signature was uploaded months ago by someone else and now it is deleted. Disrespectful....Since everyone else is such a guru about copyrights and editing...why is the current image used in Aaliyah's infobox Copyrighted...It is not an original image because it is found in GOOGLE IMAGES ...Nobody Deleted That !!! --Datyger (talk) 03:38, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Ok. Thank you. What will be Aaliyah's new image for her info box then ? --Datyger (talk) 04:53, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Can someone add the artists that Aaliyah have influenced under the category Legacy ? The artists are Beyonce, Ciara, Britney Spears, Keshia Chante, Sevyn Streeter and Cassie. The source and evidence for this statement is found in each of their Wikipedia pages. --Datyger (talk) 21:19, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
The last time I did...it got Deleted --Datyger (talk) 23:12, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
The sources in all of their Wikipedia pages except for Britney Spears. Also, in many of their interviews on YouTube. --Datyger (talk) 01:22, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
The videos show the artists saying it out their own mouths BTW...but Ok. --Datyger (talk) 01:54, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Ok C.Fred Thank You. --Datyger (talk) 04:23, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
Aaliyah was a devout Roman Catholic — Preceding unsigned comment added by CanadianDivaa (talk • contribs) 20:11, 11 September 2013 (UTC)
The R. Kelly article claims the two were married. Please verify, thanks. Maikel (talk) 20:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
They were but it was annulled a long time ago.Mcelite (talk) 21:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
I also read that she got pregnant at 15, but lost the baby? I dono if this is true or if it was R Kelly's child, but I thought I'd ask about it and bring it up. Source: http://www.ask.com/question/was-aaliyah-pregnant-before-she-died (User: BrittanieAmandaSidebottom) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrittanieAmandaSidebottom (talk • contribs) 14:52, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
n/a spouse/
This image was taken at the Romeo Must Die premiere in 2000 by a random photographer and is used a publicity image. This can be Aaliyah's new image for her infobox https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSfWSOgCcAAJ9QH.png The image is also in Wikipedia Commons under the catergory Aaliyah with the file name AAAAAAAA.jpg --Datyger (talk) 06:54, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi everyone, I just added a freely licensed image to the article and that is the image we should use. Lindenhurst Liberty (talk) 16:04, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
Yes it is free and it is not flickrwashing and it is under the Attribution-Share Alike license on Commons. Lindenhurst Liberty (talk) 16:22, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
The image was deleted from Commons because it was flickrwashing and electrician49 was not the photographer of the image, because that flickr user uploaded the image to Flickr yesterday. Lindenhurst Liberty (talk) 20:13, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
We Need An Image !!!! --Datyger (talk) 03:47, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
Hello...Does anybody else have Aaliyah images to upload ? ...We can't just leave her infobox without a picture. I have Aaliyah images but it just too much to go through to keep it up. --Datyger (talk) 01:09, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
We Still Need An Image For Aaliyah's Infobox !!! --Datyger (talk) 04:47, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
OK. How about the current image I uploaded. I didn't claim it as my own original work and Wikipedia said it was properly licensed. There should not be any problems.What do you think ? --Datyger (talk) 03:32, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
But I used a proper copyright license. It said it. --Datyger (talk) 03:39, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
I have an appropriate Flickr image to use with the proper licensing. Would you like to see it first ? --Datyger (talk) 05:11, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
This is a Flickr image with the proper licensing. You can check for yourself. --Datyger (talk) 05:28, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes....use that image. Finding an image is hard with all this copyright stuff. As an Aaliyah fan, I think that image is great. Now one question? How is that image not copyright ? --Datyger (talk) 06:52, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
I guess. How are other people gonna agree if the image is fine? I think you and I are the only ones talking about the image. --Datyger (talk) 22:02, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
Why was the image changed? It was uploaded the same way the current one is as a non-free image for identification purposes. --Datyger (talk) 08:28, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
I read in a biography book that she was at the age of 11 when she had been in star search and she had failed at the age of 12 she signed a contract with jive records... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.107.142.20 (talk) 16:34, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Aaliyah was only 22 when she died. Who did she have a child with??????
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Aaliyah had a child name, Lana Haughton, but soon after her family changed her daughter's name to, Bre, becasue they didnt want the media to find out.
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"She often wore black clothing, which led women in the United States to adopt her style"
Come on! Someone change this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BigManOmega (talk • contribs) 03:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
But that inline citation is an obituary that doesn't mention the style claim at all. I found it subjective as well. (24.28.86.155 (talk) 02:04, 23 April 2014 (UTC))
The statement that Aaliyah was buried in a silver casket is wrong. It should be changed to: in a silver-plated copper deposit casket (Source: talk with a person who worked for the National Casket Co. which produced the casket). Profunditer (talk) 09:13, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
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Change occupation from "dancer" to "singer/dancer". Aaliyah was primarily known as a recording artist before a dancer. 74.72.166.73 (talk) 00:18, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
John.james250 (talk · contribs) just split the information about her death into a separate article, Death of Aaliyah. It's about 36k of text. Is it reasonable to have split that off, or is there enough opposition to roll it back in while a split is discussed? —C.Fred (talk) 18:22, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
Hey, I just created an article for the biopic Aaliyah: The Princess of R&B. I'm unsure if I should add it into the overall template box for Aaliyah in the bottom of the article, though, since it seems to be solely for works by the singer herself. If anyone wants to add it, feel free. I just figured that it may be controversial. Also, if anyone has seen the film and wants to work on the synopsis section for the film article, please do so since I haven't seen it. Tokyogirl79 (。◕‿◕。) 07:15, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
SPOUSE DAMN DASH — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.136.229.184 (talk) 08:37, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
"Aaliyah had thoughts a month before her death that something bad was about to happen to her. "Someone's following me and I don't know why. I'm scared. Then suddenly I lift off. Far away. As if I'm swimming in the air. Nobody can reach me. Nobody can touch me".[160] It is posited that this was a premonition in Aaliyah's dreams of what was about to happen" This suggests that Aaliyah had a premonition, which is a pseudo-scientific claim. The writing quality is also noticeably lower than the rest of the article. It should be removed or rewritten to better fit the content quality and objectivity of Wikipedia. Telinciar (talk) 03:20, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
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Shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere in the article? No? Georgia Peachez (talk) 23:27, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
Her father at FindaGrave: http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=103755399 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sashafromdonetsk (talk • contribs) 17:31, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
http://findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=5727911 - please, add this link to External links! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sashafromdonetsk (talk • contribs) 17:32, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
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The paragraph
"Aaliyah had thoughts a month before her death that something bad was about to happen to her. "Someone's following me and I don't know why. I'm scared. Then suddenly I lift off. Far away. As if I'm swimming in the air. Nobody can reach me. Nobody can touch me".[174] It is posited that this was a premonition in Aaliyah's dreams of what was about to happen.[175]"
This was also in the article Death of Aaliyah. It has there been corrected to
"Aaliyah talked a month before her death about her favorite dream: "Someone's following me and I don't know why. I'm scared. Then suddenly I lift off. Far away. As if I'm swimming in the air. Nobody can reach me. Nobody can touch me. It's a wonderful feeling".[13] An Indian lifestyle magazine speculated that this was a premonition in Aaliyah's dreams of what was about to happen.[14]"
This should also be done here, or better the paragraph should be removed. --92.213.14.240 (talk) 01:11, 23 December 2015 (UTC) See also Talk:Death of Aaliyah --92.213.14.240 (talk) 01:13, 23 December 2015 (UTC)
"Aaliyah's death had a large impact on both of them as they had been her closest collaborators in the last five years of her career and they owed their initial success to her." While this statement has a source it is not immediately clear where it is referring to in its current place and form. Both Timbaland and Missy Elliot are mentioned earlier in the chapter so the reader can figure to whom the passing away had the impact out but it would be more clear if the persons in question were mentioned in the sentence by name, thus leaving no doubt who the persons in question are.Noseball (talk) 21:23, 16 August 2015 (UTC)
yes I remember hearing that Aaliyah felt that she was going to die — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuhattithesitter (talk • contribs) 20:52, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
After being tagged for being a copyright violation, the image of Aaliyah that was uploaded on Commons was deleted, and now we have no image. Any ideas? — Σxplicit 06:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
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There are some tiny little things that need to be changed, I have my word that every single word after editing will be twice as better than before. 2602:306:CE42:9910:5D83:F78A:DFB5:F125 (talk) 03:24, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
As currently written, the height comments make no sense. It implies that she grew to accept her short stature. But she was 5'7", slightly above average in height. It's possible that some dates would clear this up, but I'm tempted to delete the material. Unschool 08:20, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
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Hello, the changes i would love to make is to show more of the things her fans didnt know; She signed over to films that she never got to do, sadly.
The Legacy that people have done today in her honor
she was not engaged to Damon Dash, but they planned to marry out of a boyfriend-girlfriend relationship
etc.
may i please edit her account
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It says in the Filmography section that she appeared in The Matrix Reloaded as "Zee" but on that movie's page it says Zee was played by Nona Gaye. Considering Reloaded was released two years after her death I think this may just be vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.238.75.218 (talk) 00:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
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please change ((American)) to ((United States|American)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:541:4305:c70:218:8bff:fe74:fe4e (talk) 6 June 2017
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Under "Posthumous Career" the final sentence of the first paragraph reads -
"In August of the following year, clothing retailer Christian Dior donated profits from sales in honor of Aaliyah.[179]"
Should read -
"The following year, French fashion house Christian Dior honoured Aaliyah by donating profits from sales between 1 and 10 August, of its new Dior Sport Shoe to the Aaliyah Memorial Fund. The same year Dior also hosted the 'Dance for Life' benefit, held in Quincy Jones' Los Angeles home, which raised more for the fund."
Redaction necessary to reflect Dior are not just a clothing retailer but one of the oldest and most respected Parisian design houses. Also to correct details of which profits were donated. Source http://www.vogue.co.uk/article/aaliyah-honoured-by-dior14:16, 23 July 2017 (UTC)14:16, 23 July 2017 (UTC)~~ Pepperpurple Pepperpurple (talk) 14:16, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
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Didnt she do a movie that was release after her death — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.94.31.206 (talk) 22:57, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
There are many sources online which state, that the crew forced the pilot to fly the overloaded plane. Right now it reads like the crash was the pilot's fault only. --Renek78 (talk) 07:47, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
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In the second paragraph of the section "Legacy," please make the following grammar changes:
Original: Music publication pop dust called Aaliyah an unlikely queen of the underground mainly due to her influence on the underground alternative music scene which consist of heavy sampling of her music and many references that are made to her discography by underground artist, pop dust also mentioned that Aaliyah's forward thinking music that she did with Timbaland and the experimental music being made by many underground alternative artist are somewhat cut from the same cloth.
Revised: Music publication Popdust called Aaliyah an unlikely queen of the underground due mainly to her influence on the underground alternative music scene, which consists of heavy sampling and references to her music by underground artists. Popdust also mentioned that the forward-thinking music Aaliyah did with Timbaland and the experimental music being made by many underground alternative artists are somewhat cut from the same cloth.
(Source: The page description of the article this sentence references stylizes the magazine name as "Popdust.")
Original: While compiling a list of artist that take cues from Aaliyah MTV Hive mentioned that it’s easy to spot her influence on underground movements like dubstep, strains of indie pop, and in the lo-fi R&B movements.
Revised: While compiling a list of artists that take cues from Aaliyah, MTV Hive mentioned that it's easy to spot her influence on underground movements like dubstep, strains of indie pop, and lo-fi R&B movements.
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Someone named Bylyn Lewis keeps naming himself as Aaliyah's partner at her time of death. In actuality, it was Damon Dash, as explained in the article itself. Someone, presumably Mr Lewis, is changing this fact on this page due to his admiration of her. Please correct this. I am unable to edit since the page is now protected "to prevent vandalism." Ha! Snapper281 (talk) 21:40, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
After leading sentence of occupations, the second line should be "Born in Brooklyn, New York and raised in Detroit, Michigan, she first gained recognition at the age of ten when she appeared on the television show Star Search and performed in concert alongside Gladys Knight." rather than having her name being repeated.
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67.81.163.178 (talk) 01:32, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
Why is some random club night in Dublin mentioned in the last line of the entire article? sounds like a shameless bit of PR from the Sugar Club. Please remove!
Aaliyah herself pronounced her name AAH-LEE-YAH, You can hear it in an interview from the Rosie Show in 2000. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0Srye12aX4
Aaliyah was very well known by fans as The Queen Of Urban Pop,
http://allamericandimes.com/main/the-dime-light/a-a-d-remembers-the-queen-of-urban-pop-highest-most-exalted-one/ http://www.blaqvixenbeauty.com/More-Than-Vixen-Aaliyah-Dana-Haughton-1979---2001-4365973
What's the story here? The Tommy Hilfiger page says that she was endorsed in 1998 but does not provide a source. This article does not mention a year but mentions that Aaliyah was the spokesperson for Hilfiger and cites it to an article written after her death which dates becoming a spokesperson to 1997. Is there a difference between spokesperson and an endorsement deal? And is there any connection, besides knee jerk atomist two completely unrelated issues, with the whole Hilfiger is racist rumors? I'm still hearing rappers talk shit about Hilfiger so whether he did or did not say that, in fact, it seems, black people are for the most part no longer supporting that brand. Right? So I think it would be strange to suggest that there isn't a connection there I'm just not sure what the story is and how everything connects together. Maybe it is too broad a generalization to say "black people" don't like Hilfiger, but it certainly is the case that a lot of rap music disses on Hilfiger. When did that start? Well oddly enough, the rumors that Hilfiger said a bunch of racist stuff hit the internet in 1996, one year before the article claims Aaliyah became their spokesperson! So it does seem like something is happening here, just exactly what, I don't know. For now, though, I will avoid Hilfiger clothes just to be on the safe side. See you in 3D Kanye, hahahahaha
Aaliyah sang with Biggie on "One More Chance" you can still see the video on you tube. I was really shocked that it was her since there are several versions of that songs and they dont always mention her<ref>doreen you tube you tube
The typo is in the text "...fans who were selected to be apart of the film...".
"Apart" should be "a part". I'd fix it but this article is protected or something.
Since the marriage was fraudulent and annulled would Kelly be considered her husband? The Marriage certificate was obtained through forged documents.
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In the infobox where it saids birthplace, that should say Brooklyn, New York because she was born in Brooklyn, New York.2600:1702:AB0:D890:19BD:55D2:A737:5384 (talk) 06:12, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
If the tribe doesn't claim them, it's self-claim. No matter how much we like them, self-claims are different from tribal enrollment or documented heritage. We've been over this. Discuss, don't revert-war. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 00:39, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Descent has to be proven. Many of the tribes, including the ones that are most often claimed , have kept better genealogical records than non-Natives. We are using genealogical records. What did you think we meant? If people can't source it, it's just a claim. I'm not sure what you think "tribal heritage" is. We're not talking oral tradition, we're talking hard copy documentation. If there's no record, if the genealogy is not sourced, it's "self-identified". And that's what I'm asking for, actual sources. Statements made in an interview aren't sourced genealogy. If you'll read the articles by people in the field, "Native American" is not a race. It's based in citizenship. You can be a descendant of that community, just like you can be a descendant of a country without qualifying for citizenship, but there will be records of your ancestors. If it's too far back for there to be any documentation, the person is probably not culturally connected anymore so it's not a solid claim. Actual descendants can name relatives and ancestors who are known and verifiable in the community. It's not as complicated and mysterious as non-Natives think it is. - CorbieV ☊ ☼ 03:38, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
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