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Verification

Can someone verify the performers on the chart that I made as the tracklisting. I put Andre 3000 and Big Boi as performers of all songs because my sources list the performers as Outkast on every track.

Andre "3000"?

The album sleeve to this album makes no reference that I'm aware of to Andre as Andre 3000. It refers to him as Bin, Binhamin(i), and Dre, in addition to other aliases, but (I'm pretty sure) not as Andre 3000. Would this mean the album was released before he had adopted his primary stage name? And shouldn't that be noted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.137.217.126 (talk) 00:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes, Andre changed his stage name at the whole Y2K thing because he was "tired of all that Y2K bullshit", as I remember. The brave celery (talk) 15:31, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution review

Transcription using Google News Advanced News Archive Search. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Murray, Sonia. C4. September 5, 1996) review of ATLiens (1996):

Having squarely placed its talents on the national map with its 1993 million-selling debut, "Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik," Atlanta's Outkast ups the stakes with the more thoughtful "ATLiens." What the second album lacks in adventurous arrangements it more than makes up for in lyrical dominance. The infectiously comical first release, "Elevators (Me and You)," is the exception. "Mainstream," "13th Floor/Growing Old" and "Jazzy Belle" set new rules for rappers out to illustrate a young black man's evolution into a sociopolitical force.

— Sonia Murray

Dan56 (talk) 02:05, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

The Hartford Courant review

Transcription using Google News Advanced News Archive Search. The Hartford Courant (Comer, Andrea. 4. November 7, 1996) review of ATLiens (1996):

POP / ROCK. ATLIENS. Outkast. LaFace/Arista Records. Outkast's Big Boi and Andre originally had 35 tracks for their sophomore effort. But the album was released with 14 songs, the ones they decided were the best. The final result is "Atliens," which uses music with an extraterrestrial feel, as well as a space story insert involving the two performers. "Atliens" also revisits Organized Noize's planet. Noize produced "Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik," Outkast's debut album. The duo's lyrical acumen shines through on "Atliens," particularly on "Elevators (Me and You)," their first single off the album. "Wheelz of Steel" and the title track are also worth a listen. Outkast can be difficult to understand, with their Heltah-Skeltah mumbling and Southern slang. But once you decipher the words, you'll find that the pair's message is often quite personal. "Elevators" is a good example of this, detailing their rise after the success of "Player's Ball," which put Outkast's name in on the hip-hop map. "Atliens" may seem foreign to some, but after a few rotations, the alien feeling wears away, and it's just out of this world.

— Anrea Comer

Dan56 (talk) 02:05, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

The Washington Post review

Transcription using Google News Advanced News Archive Search. The Washington Post (Harrington, Richard. October 11, 1996) review of ATLiens (1996):

TWO YEARS ago, OutKast introduced its Southern-fried meld of soul and hip-hop with a mouthful of an album titled "Southernplayalisticaddilacmusic" and built on hypnotically relaxed grooves and a fast-paced lyrical drawl that perfectly captured the regional character of this Atlanta-based duo. On "ATLiens," Big Boi and Dre (no, not that one or the other one -- a third one, without a doctorate) may not be the brothers from another planet the album's title, songs and videos occasionally suggest, but it's clear the Mothership did touch down in Georgia. With the help of ace producers Organized Noize (TLC, Goodie Mob), OutKast revisits the sprawling funk sound that propelled their debut to platinum status, but with a more serious and focused lyrical sensibility. The first single, "Elevators," offers a sing-song meditation on the cyclical ups and downs of success (and of hip-hop itself) cast against common experience. As Dre puts it, "True, I got more fans than the average man but not enough loot to last me/ till the end of the week I live by the beat like you live check to check/ If it don't move your feet then I don't eat/ so we like neck to neck." But rather than accentuating differences, the group reinforces connections and cultural momentum. Other fine tracks include the churchy "U May Die," "Wheelz of Steel" (with a nod to "Planet Rock"), "Decatur Psalm" and "Mainstream," muddied with a little help from Goodie Mob. The raps are generally inventive, clever without being cloying, more proof (if any were needed) that hip-hop innovation isn't just an East-West thang.

— Richard Harrington

Dan56 (talk) 02:05, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't understand how Wikipedia works exactly, but the first part of the Legacy section is strange. Who decided they weren't mainstream until Stankonia? The link is simply to an article about the popularity of Stankonia. And even if that were true, what is the purpose of noting it here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.29.68 (talk) 05:45, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

GA Review

Reviewer: DivaKnockouts (talk · contribs) 02:15, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Alright, here it is. Forgive me as I'm not familiar with the group's work so I may get something wrong. Just let me know. — DivaKnockouts (talk) 04:45, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Lead

• "The duo sought to improve on their 1994 debut album Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik and gain respect for their burgeoning Southern hip hop scene." — Okay, I don't understand this sentence at all. It comes off as confusing to me, could you consider rewording?
  • Better now? --Khanassassin ☪ 19:54, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
    • Better. Thanks. — DivaKnockouts (talk) 22:40, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
• Why isnt it noted that the album charted internationally?
• Otherwise, the lead looks very well structured and organized. Good job.

Background

• You should probably explain what/who OutKast are, for the readers who aren't familiar with the subject.
  • Done. --Khanassassin ☪ 19:54, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
• "In 1994, Outkast released its debut album,..." — Why are you referring to the group as "it" shouldn't this be their? They have genders right?
  • Done. --Khanassassin ☪ 19:54, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
• What are the Source Awards? Again, for the unfamiliar reader.
  • Done. --Khanassassin ☪ 19:54, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Recording

• Rename to "Recording and production" as you talk about production as well.
  • Done. --Khanassassin ☪ 19:54, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
• "The duo refrained from using samples on the album,..." →"The duo refrained from sampling on the album"
  • Done. --Khanassassin ☪ 19:54, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Composition

• Everything looks fine here, including the sound samples.

Title and promotion

• This section's title is kinda weird to me, maybe rename to "Release and promotion" since you talk about the album's release.
  • Done. --Khanassassin ☪ 19:54, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
• If you decide to rename, rearrange the paragraphs to talk about the album's release first and then the paragraph about the title.
  • Done. --Khanassassin ☪ 19:54, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
• "Its title is a portmanteau of "ATL" →The album's title...
  • Done. --Khanassassin ☪ 19:54, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Reception

• Was at least one negative review? All I see here are positive reviews.
  • Actually, no... OutKast are one of the most acclaimed rappers ever, for real. --Khanassassin ☪ 19:54, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
    • I've never heard of the group (only solo member Andre 3000) so it's a little hard to know. I guess. — DivaKnockouts (talk) 22:40, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
• Again, why isn't it noted that the album charted internationally?
  • Usually, the article's prose is based on secondary sources that have written about the topic. Only charting at 16 and 82 in Canada and Germany didnt really get much independent coverage, so it wasnt notable enough to include here, whereas the album's domestic success was. Dan56 (talk) 21:09, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
• WP:OVERLINK of "Jazzy Belle"
  • • Charting in the top 20 of a country is not notable? I think it deserves at least some type of mention. Would I suggest "The album reached the top 20 in Canada, while attains chart success in one other country internationally"? — DivaKnockouts (talk) 22:28, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
      • It's simply not necessary; notability is decided by how much attention this information received from reliable independent sources (Wikipedia:Notability). The album's chart debut and sales were covered by news articles and warranted inclusion in the article's prose. Speaking of its charting in Canada as the "top 20" is fanciful and makes it seem more important than it actually is; if it was notable, wouldnt there have been more coverage apart from an archived magazine page? Per WP:LEAD, the "emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic, according to reliable, published sources"; the importance of it charting at number 16 in Canada is not established in the article. Dan56 (talk) 22:39, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
        • Well maybe not in the lead but at least in the commercial performance where it is necessary. — DivaKnockouts (talk) 22:53, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
    • Every charting from the bottom-of-the-article section doesnt need to be reiterated as prose; the duo arent Canadian, and number 16 on a chart that ranks sales in a country significantly smaller than the US is an awkward one-liner at best, but that would disrupt the flow of the prose, which exclusively discusses Outkast's market. Dan56 (talk) 23:03, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Done. --Khanassassin ☪ 19:54, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Legacy

• Who are Wiz Khalifa, Dom Kennedy and Jesse Marco (I know who they are, again for the unfamiliar reader)
  • Done. --Khanassassin ☪ 19:54, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
• If Jesse Marco doesn't have an WP article, is he notable enough to included here?
  • Not having an article does not make someone unnotable. Jesse Marco is quite well-known, notable enough for a little mention in the article. --Khanassassin ☪ 19:54, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
    • Alright. — DivaKnockouts (talk) 22:40, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Tracklisting

• This needs a source.
• The sampling really needs a source.

Personnel

• This section is unreferenced. Each section needs a reliable source.

• Added citation from liner notes for both "Tracklisting" and "Personnel" sections. Basilisk4u (talk) 19:56, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

• Okay, it looks like everything has been addressed, except: Why isn't it noted that the album charted internationally in the lead and especially in the commercial performance section? — DivaKnockouts (talk) 21:01, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

References

• Refs 16 & 17 need publishers
  • Done. --Khanassassin ☪ 20:08, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
• Link every work and publisher the first time you use them
  • I think I did that. --Khanassassin ☪ 20:08, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
• Delink afterwards per WP:OVERLINK
  • Yep. --Khanassassin ☪ 20:08, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
• Refs 41, 43, 57 are dead. Replace them to support chart positions.
• No red links (Wang, Oliver)
  • Done. --Khanassassin ☪ 20:08, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Overall article

• I see you change from OutKast to Outkast, stay consistent with which one it is.
  • You still have addressed this, you need to stay consistent with what their name is, is it OutKast or Outkast?
    • Done. Dan56 (talk) 23:59, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

• Putting article on hold until issues have been addressed. Regards. — DivaKnockouts (talk) 04:45, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

This review is transcluded from Talk:ATLiens/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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— DivaKnockouts (talk) 00:59, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the review! Basilisk4u (talk) 22:08, 12 February 2013 (UTC)