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At some point during the edit wars today, the "Stoyevant Party" nonsense crept back into the list of minor-party candidates. There is no evidence for the existence of this candidacy, and none is provided in the listing in any case, so someone should remove it 64.105.98.115 (talk) 03:16, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
the introductory question: is it technically possible to feed results from all voting maschines directly to infobox? I see it is. If the data are presented bet ween one interface is rather trivial to write a soft to flip the numbers on wikipedia infobox. If we do it, we wont need to watch the mosst sad MSM but all views will go to our website. I can dedicate some programming for this challenging task. And if there is your support we can provide a source. 2601:248:4301:5A70:201:2FF:FE98:B460 (talk) 03:27, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
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Hi Antony, De La Fuente and Kotilkoff were excluded again from the article. McMullin is a write in candidate, this means that for example De La Fuente is in more ballots than him, twice as much, but this should not be an issue because McMullin is registered in more write ins. You were part of the conversation in which the 270 was established as a requirement. Now people needs to follow through. The info box is vital for every candidate that has made an effort to be able to get to 270, it doesn't matter how. There is a lot of us that can edit the article, but we believe in the consensus, while other guys are just making changes. Our next President is going to be the same and it doesn't matter if him or her wins by presence on the ballots or by write ins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clarinetcousin (talk • contribs) 20:43, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Also, I see a lot of accusations coming and going, and the ones who are losing information are our readers. Is as suspicious to take out a candidate without consensus as placing it. Being more negative to erase them because in an information website such as Wikipedia more complete is better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clarinetcousin (talk • contribs) 21:04, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
The Last one two exclude the candidates was Jay Coop and look what it says on his Wikipedia page "I am a Millennial Filipino American born and raised in San Diego. However, I'm not a fan of the local teams, but I am a fan of the Chicago Bears, Cubs, Bulls, and Blackhawks. Now's a great time to be a Cubs fan. Politically, I am a Christian democratic socialist. In the first election that I was able to participate in, I supported Bernie Sanders for the Democratic nomination and intend to vote for Jill Stein in the general election." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JayCoop — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clarinetcousin (talk • contribs) 21:14, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Looking into the situation. Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 22:10, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Since it now appears that Evan McMullin may win Utah and that Gary Johnson may get more than 5% of the vote, it is possible both may qualify to remain in the infobox post election and i would like to note that the standing precedent on how candidates are ordered in the infobox post-election is to order them by electoral college vote first and then by popular vote. For a good example of this see United_States_presidential_election,_1860 where four candidates are included in the infobox.XavierGreen (talk) 23:09, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
I'd like to point out that the figures in the table include 54 electoral votes from six states (AL, NH, NJ, PA, RI, VT) that do not have a process for filling as a write-in. For infobox purposes, we only count write-in access if the candidates have filed a full slate of electors, which is impossible in those states. Subtracting those 54 votes from De La Fuente's 314 and Kotlikoff's 301 puts both of them under the 270 vote threshold, so I am removing them from the infobox.
It's worth considering whether we should institute extra criteria for candidates who need write-in access to get to 270. Perhaps they should need actual ballot access in some number of states (notably, Kotlikoff only has on-ballot access in two states), or their campaign is notable enough to have its own campaign article. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 20:55, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
It is absurd to distinguish among all of the various modes and means of filing for write-in access. Write-in access is, in the broader frame of the election, rather trivial. Way too much editor time, and too many disputes, are tied up in this small facet. If the ruling holds that we include write-in states for calculating notability, then there is no reason to exclude a subset of these states. If we consider the possibility that a candidate could win with write-in votes, then it does not matter which states. There are explicit means to declare electors after the election in some states (e.g. OR WA), and constitutional provisions for resolving the slate in others. - Of course we could avoid all this by just focusing on states that each candidate actually has a ballot line. Bcharles (talk) 02:26, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
We need to verify that the candidates have actually filed full elector slates in each write-in state for it to count. There are two ways to do this: some states require all write-in candidates to file slates (which you can usually verify in their laws), while for the others we need to manually verify that they have filed electors. I've put a list of the current claimer write-in states; let's add a reference to each to show whether or not electors have been filed. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 18:16, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
Okay, I've gone through all the states below. I've been able to find evidence of electors being filed for 159 electoral votes for Kotlikoff (AZ, FL, IN, KY, ME, MD, MA, MI, ND, OH, TX) and 87 for De La Fuente (AZ, CA, IN, MD). Combined with their 17 and 147 votes of on-ballot access, neither meets the 270 threshold for the infobox. Feel free to update or challenge the items below, but my opinion is that both candidates should be removed from the infobox until we can document the necessary electoral slates. Antony–22 (talk⁄contribs) 17:41, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
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LuckyLag360 removed Rocky De La Fuente and Laurence Kotlikoff from the infobox without providing a valid reason. When I tried to add re‐add them to the infobox, my edit was reverted by LuckyLag360. The current consensus is to include De La Fuente and Kotlikoff because they can theoretically win 270 Electoral Votes through write‐in access. Since I can't take them back because of WP:1RR, can someone else do that instead? —MartinZ02 (talk) 00:44, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
@LuckyLag360: It was decided in an August 2016 discussion to include candidates who have achieved ballot and write-in access to at least 270 electoral votes. Can you point to a more recent discussion that nullified this consensus? So far, you have diverted the discussion away from that fact. Jay Coop · Talk · Contributions 21:01, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
This page contains many small maps showing which states a candidate has ballot access in. They show up on Internet Explorer, but not on Firefox. I am guessing this is due to the use of the {{multiple image}} macro, because these maps show up correctly on other pages (e.g., Evan McMullin presidential campaign, 2016) in Firefox.
Is this a known bug? Is it wise that such an important article is designed in a way that doesn't render correctly on a major web browser? — Lawrence King (talk) 23:27, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Hi. As a disclaimer, this is my first time commenting on any political issues on Wikipedia, and my first time really looking at a potential neutral point of view issue. I think this is worth discussing on the talk page rather than a bold edit, particularly considering the nature of political discussions.
I was viewing the newspaper endorsements section of this article and noticed that it only mentions Clinton and Johnson endorsements. While there are certainly significantly more Clinton endorsements by major news media, I worry that with the current phrasing it is not giving due weight to notable media organizations which have endorsed Trump for this election. Some media organizations, such as the Las Vegas Review-Journal, have a circulation of approximately 220000. On the other hand, The Detroit News, mentioned in the article as a significant organization that endorses Johnson, has a lower circulation of 140000. This does not appear to give due weight to the (relatively small, but significant) organizations that support Trump.
Therefore, I propose that this article integrates content from the main newspaper endorsements page to explain that a handful of news media has endorsed Trump for president. Particularly, I would recommend the inclusion of both Las Vegas Review-Journal and Santa Barbara News Press, the two largest newspaper media organizations that have endorsed Trump. Of course, it is important to note that Clinton and even perhaps Johnson have more or equal support by media organizations, and therefore I would suggest no content revision for the rest of the newspaper endorsements section as it stands currently.
Anyway, that's my view, but I'm definitely interested in what other editors have to say. Thanks! Appable (talk) 07:12, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
What are we going to do about updating the map with regards to Nebraska and Maine (they split some of their electoral votes by congressional district)? Since it is very likely that the states' statewide electoral votes won't be called by the media at the same time the congressional district electoral votes are called and since it's possibly that some congressional districts won't vote the same way as the state as a whole- what should we do? Should we make a change to the map? Prcc27🌍 (talk) 21:40, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
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The General election debates subsection devotes its final paragraph to the Free & Equal Elections Foundation debates held last night in Boulder. I happen to think that this content shouldn't be present at all; however, at a minimum it needs to reflect that the debate is in the past and to reflect how it was actually conducted. I suggest substituting the text below, which can just be copied and pasted.
The [[Free & Equal Elections Foundation]] held an alternative debate at the [[University of Colorado Boulder]] on October 25, 2016. Candidates [[Darrell Castle]], [[Rocky De La Fuente]], and [[Gloria La Riva]] attended the debate, which was moderated by [[Christina Tobin]] and [[Ed Asner]].{{cite web |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BXjmU3Cs7w |title=United We Stand Festival & People's Presidential Debate Live Now from Boulder, CO! |author=<!--Staff--> |date=October 25, 2016 |publisher=[[Free & Equal Elections Foundation]] |access-date=October 26, 2016}}
Before anyone asks, there does not appear to be any independent coverage of this debate; the archived livestream was the best that I could find.
Also, if this debate remains in the table immediately below, it should be modified to add Christina Tobin's name as moderator along with Ed Asner's.
Thanks in advance for updating this section. 64.105.98.115 (talk) 19:07, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
At this point, shouldn't Tom Hoefling have his own map showing in which states he has ballot access and write in access? 162.104.116.120 (talk) 22:23, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
Would it be helpful to list, in the infobox, the number of electoral votes each candidate has access to? Currently the consensus is that all candidates who can theoretically reach 270 votes are included, which I agree with. Also, I am pleased that Mike Maturen has been added (271 votes), but Tom Hoefling hasn't been, even though he has access to more than 270 electoral votes (and more than Mike Maturen). As the presidential candidates have their home states listed, should the VP nominee too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.5.106.137 (talk) 02:20, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
There is an article in the Washington Post about the editing of this very page. I thought it so unusual that I'd post it here. Arglebargle79 (talk) 00:34, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
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On the infobox, change all of Gary Johnson's information to make him number 4 (nominee4, home_state4 etc.), and all of Jill Stein's information to make her number 5, leaving number 3 without a candidate. This will move Gary Johnson to the second row. The reason for this is to conform to usual design standards for infoboxes. In elections with 4 major parties/candidates the top 2 are on the top row with the next 2 on the bottom row. Having 3 on top and 1 on the bottom row looks odd.
JackWilfred (talk) 14:32, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
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Laying the infobox out like this, as opposed to what is on the article at the moment, is neater and takes up a lot less space. TedEdwards (talk) 15:22, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
The portion of the introduction beginning "Businessman and reality television personality . . ." and ending ". . . has carried a state since 1968." is not strictly neutral and has portions that are unclear and potentially misleading to a less than careful reader.
This sentence "Green Party nominee and former physician Jill Stein has ballot access in enough states to win the electoral college." in context, can be construed by a casual reader to indicate Stein is the only non-Demopublican candidate for which this is true.
To be both clearer and more neutral, I suggest replacing the section "Businessman and reality television personality . . . has carried a state since 1968." with the following which adds 1 prefatory sentence, incorporates the existing parts on Clinton and Trump, and revises the remainder:
Three candidates will be on the ballot in all 50 states. Businessman and reality television personality Donald Trump became the Republican Party's presidential nominee on July 19, 2016, after defeating U.S. Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, Governor of Ohio John Kasich, U.S. Senator Marco Rubio of Florida and other candidates in the Republican primary elections.[1] If elected, Trump will become the oldest president to take office.[2] Former Secretary of State and U.S. Senator from New York Hillary Clinton became the Democratic Party's presidential nominee on July 26, 2016, after defeating U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. If elected, she would be the first female president.[3] Former Governor of New Mexico Gary Johnson became the Libertarian Party's nominee on May 29, 2016, defeating Austin Petersen. If elected, he would be the first president since 1850 elected as neither a Democrat nor a Republican.
Six other candidates, though failing to get on all 50 state ballots, will still either be on the ballot, or can be legally written in on the ballot, in enough states, that they could, at least in theory, still get enough electoral votes (270 out of 538) to win the election. In this group, the Green Party nominee and former physician Jill Stein has the most potential electoral votes in the sense that, if she won every race in which she is either on the ballot or eligible to be written in, she would get 522 electoral votes.
In addition, there are at least 18 more candidates, who don't appear to have even a theoretical chance of winning a majority of electoral votes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.96.210.230 (talk) 19:22, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
I think the line "the election will determine the 45th and 48th president and vice president" should be changed to "the election will likely determine the 45th 48th president and vice president". Who knows, Obama could resign or something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheJoebro64 (talk • contribs)
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The America's Party (Tom Hoefling/Steve Schulin) ticket need a ballot access map. I have taken the liberty of creating one, incorporating both of the party's official colours. Please add this in the same manner as all the other third party maps:
[[File:Tom Hoefling ballot access (2016).svg|thumb|300px|Ballot access for America's Party {{legend|#800080|Ballot access}} {{legend|#60ABFF|Write-in access}} {{legend|#D3D3D3|Not on ballot}}]]
JackWilfred (talk) 15:25, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Tavis Smiley is hosting a forum/debate between Gary Johnson and Jill Stein tonight and tomorrow night on his show, if that would qualify for the debate section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.160.165.63 (talk) 16:12, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
I figure that since we're slightly more than a week out, we should start getting ready for November the Ninth. I'll start. I'm going to make templates for all fifty (50) states and the district of Columbia. They will initially look like this: {{2016CAGen}}
Now as you can see it's no way near ready. So what I'd like y'all to do, is find out who's on each state ballot, then go to "Template:2016XXGen", when you get there, put all the state specific information in the template, including every candidate on the ballot (no write-ins, please. There's not going to be any information on those until December at the earliest). Then go to the "US Presidential Election in the whatever" page and place the link in the results section there. We should have it all ready for November the ninth. Rather than edit war about the infobox, let's do something constructive. Arglebargle79 (talk) 21:38, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
There is zero about the subject should a chapter to be added stating how the election is internationally monitored? The fact women are allowed to run is only one of many signs which mark a demockratic process. 23:10, 31 October 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:248:4301:5A70:201:2FF:FE98:B460 (talk)
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Typo @ Evan McMullin ballot list: "Connecticuit" instead of "Connecticut".
EnigmaLord515 (talk) 13:11, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
The lead states that, "Green Party nominee and former physician Jill Stein has ballot access in enough states to win the electoral college." Given that Stein is not likely to actually win the electoral college, that seems like a rather unusual statement to make. Wouldn't it be more appropriate to simply mention how many states she has ballot access in? FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 06:48, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
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The image on the Wikipedia article for Evan McMullin has been replaced recently and it looks rather nice compared to the current one that we have. I do not know if the new image is free but I saw it added to his article so I'm assuming that it could be a viable replacement for what we have now. What do you think we should use?
Additionally, his color currently is a reddish orange that appears similar to the color being used for Trump, so I am considering changing it to an orange that leans neither to red nor yellow as to more clearly distinguish him. The infobox on this section compares the current version of how McMullin appears to my proposed change. Please respond with opinions. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 22:06, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
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But the American Solidarity Party's official color isn't orange. And you're probably the only person here that associated orange with Christian Democracy. You could probably look up some random political ideology and find that magenta is the official color for it so that's not a good enough reason to avoid using orange. Since orange is a color mixed with red I disagree with your reasoning. Prcc27🌍 (talk) 06:33, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
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Change the color & party for Evan McMullin from "Independent politician" and "E78C00" to "Independent" and use the color shading template "Party shading/Independent".
Elisfkc (talk) 19:09, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
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template. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:50, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
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Currently this section (and the infobox, for that matter) simply lists Mindy Finn as McMullin's running mate. This is not true. In the 11 states he has ballot access to Nathan Johnson is the listed Vice President with McMullin. I am aware he was a filler candidate. However Finn is on the ballot in 0 states. This fact should be added to the article in a more prominent way. I do not know why only administrators can only edit this article. I assume it is due to consistent edit wars. That seems abuse-of-power-y. (But that's just my opinion.) KingAntenor (talk) 23:48, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
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Please make these updates and changes to McMullin's section: drop "additional endorsements" from parties without wikipedia pages; add write-in states KS and MO; drop "write-in anticipated" list, as no significant states left; add WY to "no ballot access" (at this time); add and update refs; update total EV to 451; as below: Bcharles (talk) 14:37, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
The table of swing states seems to omit a couple. Most political sites including 538, Politico and BBC America News include Michigan and Virginia as swing states, and 538 even throws in Minnesota as well. Granted, given the current polling these states seem unlikely to go into the Republican column, but there still seems to be a consensus that these are swing states.86.160.47.112 (talk) 19:26, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
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Please replace the "swing states" table with the updated table below. Ratings from the four sites included have been updated to the most recent reports.
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Bcharles (talk) 21:14, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
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For Hoefling (Americas Party), add AK, KS, KY, MO, NE, WI, making his EV total 369. Add refs and "not on ballot:" list, as below: Bcharles (talk) 04:26, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
The other major candidates have campaign logos. Theirs is: <fair use violation removed> Dhalsim2 (talk) 17:32, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
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Add File:Maturen-Muñoz 2016 Bumper Sticker.png to the box for Maturen. This should be uncontroversial regardless of whether the user who uploaded it has a COI.
JFH (talk) 00:49, 5 November 2016 (UTC)
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Maturen now has confirmed write-in access in Kansas.[5] Please move Kansas from the anticipated list and put it in the confirmed list with the above reference. Increase the electoral vote count from 326 to 332 and move his whole section to the section above America's Party, as he now has higher ballot access than Hoefling.
Change Maturen reference for Virginia to [6] Dhalsim2 (talk) 16:21, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
Please add KS for Hoefling as well, same ref. That makes his total EV 333, thus keeping him above Maturen. Bcharles (talk) 01:37, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
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