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Please explain who instituted these so-called Counties of Wales, then. I note none of them have particularly Welsh language sounding names. Thanks, Morwen 20:25, 4 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- As it says on the page, they are a result of natural evolution. Six of the 13 evolved after 1282 from existing kingdoms, cantrefs and commotes, and the remaining 7 were created in 1535 from the Marcher Lordships. They don't have Welsh sounding names because this is the English-language version of Wikipedia. If you go to http://www.gazetteer-wales.co.uk/ you can see that they all have Welsh names as well that are recommended by the National Library of Wales.
- And those Marcher Lords you speak of, they were anglo-normans, right? And the act that created those remaining 7 was an act given authority by the english crown? Morwen 20:59, 5 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Not necessarily. The Marcher Lords were generally local land owners who were exempt from direct crown control, certain taxes &c. This is why they were sympathetic to the crown. The Laws in Wales Act that created the final seven counties ensured that all burghers, citizens, &c were treated equally under the same laws, had the same acccess to courts, &c. Their areas were based on the lordships, and their creation welcomed by the people.
If you want to move a pages content, please use the 'move this page' facility - that's what its there for - you can then edit the redirect. The way you've done Denbighshire, you've lost the edit history and thus authorital credits. Morwen 12:18, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- And I see you did it again after I requested you not. Morwen 12:31, 7 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- Sorry, I didn't read this before I'd already done it.
Just thought it might be worthwhile bringing to your attention the fact that an awful lot of the traditional counties of Scotland don't have articles about them. Morwen 16:38, 17 Nov 2003 (UTC)
- I'll see if I can dig up anything!
Hello, you might want to have a look at the VFD discussion currently going on at MediaWiki:VfD-Lincolnshire_unneeded. A sufficient number of votes to save this page and move to Lincolnshire (traditional) would pave the way for similar articles on all the traditional Counties by consensus, which are most needed, given their generally appalling treatment in the current "all-in-one", primarily administrative county articles. 80.255 12:57, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC)