User talk:Neil zusman
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after the question on your talk page. Again, welcome! --Xnuala (talk) 16:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi there! I noticed your recent contribution, Libricide, and am not sure if it is something that should be included as an encyclopedia article. There seems to be a number of statemtents indicating a particular viewpoint, especially with relation to U.S. politics. Are you interested in perhaps working on this article to bring it in line with the NPOV guidelines? I'm also not sure what the intention of including text from other Wikipedia sites is for. I'm eagerly awaiting your response!--Xnuala (talk) 16:13, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi
I'm in the midst of posting an article and I didnt think I was necessaily being anti-U.S. I used the Wikipedia page as a guide and am deleting as i go. I am trying to be neutral but am grateful for the help. Give me another hour and we can talk.
Neil zusman 16:34, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I thought that might be the case (with the Wikipedia page as a guideline!), and I brought that up at the AFD page! Would you mind if I deleted or rewrote the statements that could be percieved as NPOV?--Xnuala (talk) 16:36, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Please do so. I will check my version. You are very fast, it's great. I am trying to be responsible. I entered the word "libricide" into wiktionary yesterday. This is my first time.
Neil zusman 16:40, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I just happened to be watching at the time! I may be busy offline for a few hours, but I will definitely come back afterward. I think it's fantastic that you are contributing to Wikipedia!--Xnuala (talk) 16:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much, I'm honored and wish to make a good contribution. It's an international issue and I wanted people to be able see the issue. I look forward to hearing from you. I will try to finish this edit over the next 2 hours.
Neil zusman 16:55, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
I am not going to re-post on this for now. I hope it meets your approval. Thank you for your attention.
Neil zusman 21:58, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
- Hi Neil, I think the issue isn't approval but more compliance with Wikipedia policies such as WP:NPOV and verifiability. Right now, I don't think the article will survive AFD in its current state, and I don't have the resources to do a lot of work on it this week. I'll see what I can get done, but I would like it if you continued to contribute!--Xnuala (talk) 23:26, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi,
My sources are verifiable. I tried to be absolutely neutral. Could you tell me where you are interpreting an anti-US stance? Native Americans and the Indian Wars perhaps?
Neil zusman 01:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Sometimes it isn't the neutrality of the material that raises flags, but the inclusion of them. This section
"The systemic destruction of books is seen by some as a function of social and political problem-solving. Preservation may not be on top of the list of an invading army’s priorities. The head of President George W. Bush's cultural advisory committee, stepped down in protest over the US failure to stop the pillage, adding to international calls for action to protect Iraq's heritage. [6] The United States quickly secured the airport, the Oil Ministry and a hotel, and failed to protect the museum and libraries in Bagdhad that were looted in 2003 and will never recover despite great efforts to restore and find what was taken."
doesn't seem to fit with the rest of the article--was it libricide or just a situation where the priorities were financially motivated rather than to protect the culture. I think we have to focus on more broad examples of libricide, including better descriptions of the historic incidences as well as including some broader sources about cultural destruction. I'm not an expert at all, so I think it would be great if we could recruit more Wikipedians to collaborate with on this article.--Xnuala (talk) 02:17, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
I read the discussion on my article. I agree with you. I was perhaps too slanted in this comment. It is however, based on a report by Agence France presse. Perhaps they are illegitimate? I caught Dubya in my sights because it is a fairly recent act. Knuth spends the last chapter in her (2006) book on it. I read both Knuth books, she is an Associate Prof. in Hawaii and her books have been favorably reviewed by reliable sources like the ALA. I also read the Bosmajian book, Burning Books. He is the professor emeritus at Washington State and has published works on censorship and language for over 30 years. Getting more general sources would be possible, but would require re-wiring these already published works for Wikipedia.
Thanks again. you guys are brutal.
Neil zusman 02:25, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Having read the discussion and consdierations, it is not just Knuth, but Bosmajian as well who is notable here. The Book Burning section on history doesn't bring it up into the present very effectively- that is my goal, as it is of Bosmajian and Knuth. Librarians must consider future forms as well as the past of terms or categories that evolve. Book burning is a child of Libricide- it also includes the buildings, the museums and libraries, and whole cultures whose expression is damaged permanently by their destruction. Books that have been burned can be reproduced quickly. I am a Library Science student.
Neil zusman 13:51, 22 April 2007 (UTC)