Talk:Libertarianism/Archive 7
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i suggest removing the "radcial" before "laissez-faire" in "Criticism of libertarianism from the left tends to focus on its economic aspects, claiming that capitalism of a radical laissez-faire (free market) character undermines individual liberty, or creates poverty and harms society and the economy." because (A)it detracts from the overall objectivity of the article. In a political context, "radical" has a definate derogatory or negative connotation. For example, "radical liberal" or "radical conservative". (B)it doesnt add anything to the article. "Laissez-faire" only has one meaning- free from government intervention. Adding "radical" doesnt modify that meaning in any way. At the very least, saying "radical laissez-faire" is redundant. In my opinion, it adds a hint of bias and unnecessary opinion that detracts from the overall reliability of the article.
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I dont want to touch anything myself since I'm a noob and this is otherwise a great article.
- I'm not sure I agree. Rand's brand of laissez-faire capitalism is indeed more radical than many other forms endorsed by libertarians. And, in context, it's quite correct to point out that this radical nature is what leftists object to. It's NPOV. Alienus 08:22, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
- I'm the one that put "radical" there. I didn't mean it pejoratively. I just meant to state a fact that libertarians want radically-free markets and that's what the left doesn't like. It's one thing to say you want a laissez-faire system, but libertarians really mean it. Like Alienus just said, the radical character of their economic policies is where a lot of the criticism lies. On the other hand, I understand your point. Laissez-faire is itself radical. I can maybe word it slightly different to get the point across. RJII 15:42, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
- This is a good point. I think we do need some way to distinguish between wanting free markets in general and wanting a laissez-faire level of freedom. If "radical" is too strong or negative a word, then we should find a better one. There are many types of free markets, including a number that are constrained by direct and indirect government intervention, so just saying that Libertarianism is for free markets is misleading. Lots of people are for some sort of free market, just not the -- dare I say it? -- radical freedom of laissez faire. Alienus 17:17, 28 November 2005 (UTC)